phd_angel Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Got a horrible ass man (really an ass one) but would cost me 1.7 million to fire him. Same is true for a whole bunch of parasites in my team: from physio, to scouts and coaches, as well as players. But to fire them requires compensation (lots of $$$)... Worse, in the case of staff, I can only hire a new ass man if the bad one is fired first, and so is true as there is a limit on the number of staff I can have. What do you do in these situations?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Try mutual termination? Cheaper that way. Or try offering them same ways for a shorter contract before dismissing them. One good thing about staff is that they will not be unhappy like players if you intend to offload them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grug Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 I have found that offerring a shorter contract is usually unsuccessful, but you may be able to offer him a contract as a coach on your staff for the same length of time, if he takes the demotion, it will free up the AM opening for you to hire a better one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oranjeman Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Mutual Termination is the way... staff usually accept it, players dont usually in my expierience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPass Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Whilst it might be considered cheating, if you're just starting a game you could use the editor to reduce the contracts (and possibly wages) for staff you don't want to keep to just 1 year. That gives you a season to replace your backroom staff without having to fork out $$$'s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18-WATP-73 Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 offer him a coaching job, that will free up your assistant manager space for a new one. Try make the contract as short as possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottleeSV Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 It's much easier at non-league level. I nearly always get rid of my a__ man and it invariably costs me no more than about £2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark wilson27 Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 When I take over a new club the first thing I do is get rid of the staff and bring in my own crew. Does cost me abit but its worth it in the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECAP Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 that is one of the biggest back holes in FM, there's no way to get rid of staff w/o financial damage to your budget, IRL you can get rid of them saying - you are free to look for another club, I won't charge them any fees, also if the salary is lower, I will pay the rest for X years upto your current wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 It's much easier at non-league level. I nearly always get rid of my a__ man and it invariably costs me no more than about £2000. At that level, you can even get rid of players for similar sums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 I've found that, unless the team is rapidly improving and the coaching staff wants a huge new contract all the time, you can usually get players and staff to halve their wages (and maybe chop a year or two off their contract) if you offer a big signing-on fee with the contract. Then wait half a season to a season and cut them for considerably less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phd_angel Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 Thanks all. It seems I am not alone in this dilemma... 18-WATP-73: I had tried your suggestion, but ass managers do not accept being demoted. Falatur: your advice is good, but I'd have to wait one season til their contracts expire.... Not enough time. I guess the best solution is to mix a bit: fire a few (trying mutual termination), keep a few for a while, until you can fix the kitchen entirely... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Mutual termination is a non sense to me. If you were in them , being in the process of being sacked , I bet none of us would accept a mutual termination when a complete contract must be paid by the team. In addition , into FM09 , the mutual termination was pretty much the same of paying the remaining contract years wage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Assman might not accept an alterative role if their <offered role> rating is lower than that of Assman rating. I would try offering lower wages (few hundred at a time) or shorter contracts to minimize the financial pain. The assman takes priority over other staff so if I still can't convince them to take lower wages / contract durations / another role, I would still sack and replace with a better one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misodoctakleidist Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 You should be able to make them do demeaning tasks until they get fed up and leave for another club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterWolf Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 You should then also be taken to employment tribunals! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiovascular Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 that is one of the biggest back holes in FM, there's no way to get rid of staff w/o financial damage to your budget, IRL you can get rid of them saying - you are free to look for another club, I won't charge them any fees, also if the salary is lower, I will pay the rest for X years upto your current wages. Not true. This is their job, they need compensation if they're gettingg sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Yes, IRL the club has to compensate the manager and his backroom staff based on the remainder of their contracts if they are sacked. Numerous examples around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misodoctakleidist Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 You should then also be taken to employment tribunals! You'd be asked a series of questions on the witness stand by the "devious" lawyer for your former ass man, and you'd have to pick one of five answers. "Is is true that you made Ass Man clean your office in a tutu? - That is absolutely true - I agree - I don't think it would be appropriate to comment on that right now - That is not true - I couldn't diagree more" If you give the wrong answer, you could be procesuted for perjury and your Ass Man would have to take charge of all your matches for a couple of seasons while you serve a prison term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carligula Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 "Storm out" would seem like the best option there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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