Future FM's and the Paddy Kenny incident

Its well known that bans for drug offenses or other similarly controversial "rulebreaking" could not be applied to real players (due to the threat of deformation of charachter) however Paddy Kenny is being seen as an innocent man who accidently transgressed - does this give SI an option to apply such carefully worded punishments to real players now while maintaining their "good reputations"?

Defamation of charactar, not deformation. I assume deformation would be like mutation

I don't think they could add it, either way the player has taken drugs, whether on purpose or not, so the game has to imply that they have consumed drugs and regardless of the explanation given it doesn't portray a good image of the player.

Deformation actually sounds like a football term. Maybe it could be a formation that is always changing (deforming) throughout a match.

I reckon "The player is having issues" or something would be more suitable.

nah put stupid " stupid irish junkie" in his profile

Defamation of charactar, not deformation. I assume deformation would be like mutation

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Basically the player in question could do FM for libel, and knowing the English courts would win even if they were stuffing thier noses in fornt of the beak during the case.

How would FM get sued for implmenting a drug ban on a player in the game if it happened in real life?

if they implemented drug bans for players who haven't actually recieved one in real life then that could bring up some tricky issues...

They do impose bans on players who have received them irl, check out Flachi at Empoli on fm 09 he starts out with 6 months left on a ban for taking drugs, although it doesn't say thats what the ban is for in the game.

yeah players have had this before i think it just says global ban till XXXX

nah put stupid " stupid irish junkie" in his profile

Better than an English Football Hooligan I suppose!

surley say if a team goes into administration, or gets relegated, the games saying they are skint, or not good enough, defamation?

Kenny's ban will be in the game as drug bans have always been, claiming he's innocent is a bit generous in the OP. He stupidly bought medicine over the counter as opposed to going through the club doctor, he knew full well the risk he was taking and it backfired, idiot.

How would FM get sued for implmenting a drug ban on a player in the game if it happened in real life?

For to be able to say that someonwe has done something or is something and get away with it you have to prove your case beyond all reasonable doubt (two unique items aabout libel/slander in the UK & Irish legal systems 1) the proof needed is same level as for criminal cases and 2) onus of proving the case is on the defendant). However drugs bans as far as I can see are given on the balance of proof basis. Therefore a person banned for drugs offences could reasonably argue that an organ that labels him/her a drug cheat is being libellous.

Plus also the fact that under the eyes of a governing body in sports once a player is through with their ban they are fully rehabilitated, so a person could sue the game makers 3 three years down the line for something said in this years game.

For this reason very few articles in newspapers actually come out and label high profile athletes drug cheats, at least until after the athlete atmits their own guilt.

Furhtermore actually being convicted of a crime under the law hasn't stopped people winning libel cases in the English courts when they were described as criminals. I can't remember the specifics, but for a while recently there was a running story in the Private Eye about such a case.

Kenny's ban will be in the game as drug bans have always been, claiming he's innocent is a bit generous in the OP. He stupidly bought medicine over the counter as opposed to going through the club doctor, he knew full well the risk he was taking and it backfired, idiot.

He is innocent of what's being discussed here, i.e. that he is a 'drug cheat' as The Sun called him: He is guilty of being a very silly boy. FM should not get involved in such things as they are so rare anyway and are usually blown out of all proportions.

One can make up one's mind about whether Kenny is guilty or not, but SI will not go on your opinion or The Sun. They will likely go on the legal word of the courts, the FA's lawyers or FIFA's lawyers or anyone who goes around saying legal stuff.

Legally, he has been found to have failed a drug test and banned for 9 months. He may have been a silly boy or whatever but that is your opinion, not a legal decision.

Have you read the legal word of the courts? It's not my opinion, it's fact. They have released a statement that effectively stated he had been a silly boy.

Eh?

Paddy Kenny suspended

Monday, 07 September, 2009

The Sheffield United goalkeeper has been suspended from all football for nine months.

At a Regulatory Commission hearing today Sheffield United goalkeeper, Paddy Kenny, was suspended from all football for a period of nine months.

Kenny was charged under FA Rule E25 in relation to Regulation 2 of The FA Doping Control Programme Regulations in that the presence of a prohibited substance (Ephedrine) was found in a routine sample following the match versus Preston North End FC on 11 May 2009. Mr Kenny was suspended by the Club (Sheffield United FC) on 4 June 2009 and then from all football and football activities by The FA from 22 July 2009.

Having admitted the charge, the Members of the Commission heard and considered expert evidence and detailed submissions. Taking into consideration all that it heard and read, it reached the following decisions:

1. Mr Kenny committed a doping offence, namely the presence in his urine sample of ephedrine at a concentration of greater than 10ug/ml

2. That Mr Kenny’s use of ephedrine was not intended to enhance sporting performance

3. The appropriate penalty imposed for this doping offence is a period of suspension from all football and football activities for a period of nine months

4. The suspension to become effective from the date The Football Association suspension of the player, namely 22 July 2009

5. He shall be subject to ‘target testing’ for a period of two years with immediate effect

6. The hearing fee was retained and he was ordered to pay costs of the hearing

The Regulatory Commission Chairman, Christopher Quinlan, stated after the hearing: “The Regulatory Commission considered carefully the evidence and the submissions from both parties. Whilst we found that the Player satisfied us on the balance of probabilities that the substance was not taken with the intention of enhancing sporting performance, his admitted conduct displayed significant fault.

“A professional sportsman including a football player has a strict responsibility to ensure prohibited substances do not enter his/her body. In this instance Mr Kenny knowingly ingested an over-the-counter medicine above the prescribed dosage without reading the accompanying package or leaflet and without reference to his club’s doctor or other medical staff.

“It is incumbent upon all professional footballers to understand the perils and dangers of so doing and to act in the way he did, contrary to the Doping Control Programme delivered by The FA and in any event what should be a matter of common sense for a professional sportsman, showed in our judgment a complete disregard for those responsibilities."

Doping is a serious offence even if Kenny didn't mean it. But this is not the FA calling Kenny "a silly boy". They have said he completely disregarded his responsibilities as a professional sportsman and displayed significant fault with his conduct.

WHich is completely different to calling him a drugs cheat.

WHich is completely different to calling him a drugs cheat.

Or a "stupid Irish Junkie"

nah put stupid " stupid irish junkie" in his profile

Any more of that and you'll have "BANNED" in yours.

Any more of that and you'll have "BANNED" in yours.

Oooooooooo, handbags. Joking!

I agree, the comment you refer to Kriss, was out of order and completely out of context of what actually happened. Real world bans are in FM, it will just say banned for 9 months. Do we really need to know why? No.

When they say real players are suffering from depression or personal problems in the game, is that not slightly dodgy territory? And yeah, a real club going bust in the game is arguably libelous if the club wanted to be pedantic I think.

Not having this kind of incident included doesn't detract from Fm one iota, there's also the fact that Sega have a legal team which could possibly fill Wembley, at least it seems like it when you're waiting for them to make a decision:D

WHich is completely different to calling him a drugs cheat.

But certainly not "a silly boy".

I remember reading a thread, some time ago, in which the players banned were playing Northern Ireland and it turned out they were actually in prison for robbing a takeaway.

Wonder if the Prison had a football team?

Wonder if the Prison had a football team?

Most of them do!