Williams27 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I've just got to the 2020 European Championships on FM09 and noticed a strange group standing after the group stage has finished; Take a look at the link below (assuming it works), showing the final table together with the results of the group games and then explain to me why Czech Republic and Italy qualified at the expense of Spain!!!! I just can't quite work it out!!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: Answers on a postcard....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Drawn lots I would say with Spain being unlucky. The Greece games don't count so that leaves the other 3 games. Czech Rep, Spain & Italy all won one 2-1 and lost one 2-1 leaving everything equal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatfm Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Greece get taken out of the picture => all teams on same points, same GD, same For => sort alphabetically That's just logic on my part. Check the competition page for the rules maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavenagh Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Assuming that the game follows the same sorting rules as are set out by UEFA: A: Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question. B: Goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question. C: Number of goals scored in the matches played among the teams in question. D: Goal difference in all the group matches. E: Number of goals scored in all the group matches F: Co-Efficient generated from the previous World Cup and European Championship qualifying tournaments. G: Fair play. H: Drawing of lots. it does look like Spain and Italy should have qualified, as all three teams are equal until D: Goal difference in all the group matches. Probably worth posting in the bugs forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williams27 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 Greece get taken out of the picture=> all teams on same points, same GD, same For => sort alphabetically That's just logic on my part. Check the competition page for the rules maybe? Yeah, thats exactly what I thought must have happened. I'd never seen that scenario happen on the game before, thats why I thought I'd post it on here and see what anybody else thought of it. Felt sorry for the Spanish boss.....he got sacked as soon as the Quarter Final draw had been made!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 head to head and goal difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 They did concede more did that play a part? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Head to head rule? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williams27 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 head to head and goal difference Yeah I know, on head to head - Czech Republic, Italy and Spain took it in turns to beat each other 2-1, so that would level them all up! They did concede more did that play a part? Well there's the competition rules anyway, doesn't mention anything about goals conceded, so I'm not sure!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corn_onthecurb Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 ??????????. Im quite stunned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williams27 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 ??????????. Im quite stunned Good to know I'm not the only one!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrayzoster Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 It'll Be Because Italy Conceded Less? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaroq Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I think Cavenagh has the right of it. Williams27, can you post this to the FM'09 Bugs Forum - screenshot, plus Cavenagh's post? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corn_onthecurb Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 How has he got it right?? "B: Goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question." Spain and italys goal difference is better then the Czech's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bardock Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I found the same problem in the bugs forum. Apparently SI are looking into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaroq Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Thanks, bardock - never mind, Williams27! Corneille - B. applies only to the games between the three co-equal teams: Spain vs Italy, Italy vs Czech Rep., Czech Rep. vs Spain. In those matches, each team came out with 3 GF, 3 GA, and a GF of +0 - therefore, by B. and C. the teams should come out still tied. D - goal difference in all group matches - is the first place that the tie should have been broken, and wasn't. It looks like the game only got coded for A., B., and C., and finding the teams still equal sorted alphabetically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonjw Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 seems a bug to me, as even the in-game rules surely should have Czech Republic going out on goal difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherlover Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 A bug methinks. Czech Republic should be going out because Spain have scored more goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williams27 Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 Thanks, bardock - never mind, Williams27! Corneille - B. applies only to the games between the three co-equal teams: Spain vs Italy, Italy vs Czech Rep., Czech Rep. vs Spain. In those matches, each team came out with 3 GF, 3 GA, and a GF of +0 - therefore, by B. and C. the teams should come out still tied. D - goal difference in all group matches - is the first place that the tie should have been broken, and wasn't. It looks like the game only got coded for A., B., and C., and finding the teams still equal sorted alphabetically. Many thanks for that Amaroq, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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