FM09 A New World Experiment: A New Landscape, A New Football World

Hello all,

Since I've gotten into Football Manager, one of the databases I've truly enjoyed was a no player database. I was fascinated with what if. What if Rooney did not exist? What if no footballers existed? Who would 'replace' Rooney and other fantastic footballers on this planet today. Well, you will find out in my experiment.

Database: No Player Database (9.2)

Leagues:

• England - to BSN/BSS
  
• France - to CFA
  
• Germany - to 3rd Division
  
• Italy - to Serie C2
  
• Spain - to Second Division B
  
• Sweden - to Second Division
  
• Romania - to Second Division
  
• N. Ireland - to Second Division
  
• Belgium - to Third Division
  
• Iceland - to First Division
  

I will also load players from: China, New Zealand, Somalia, San Marino, Luxembourg, Montserrat

The following changes to the no player db:

• The countries I've loaded from will receive a reputation boost, to 7000, which is comparable to the 10th best country in Europe, Turkey.
  
• The worst rep teams in the lowest division in each country will receive max training and youth facilities, youth academy, and a sugar daddy chairman, but everything else is unchanged.
  

They are as follows:

• Vauxhall (England BSN)
  
• SO Cassis-Carnoux (France National)
  
• Sandhausen (German Third Division)
  
• Prato (Italy Serie C2/B)
  
• Ciudad de Santiago (Spanish Second Division B1)
  
• Koping (Swedish Second Division South Svealand)
  
• Mechel (Romanian Second League Group 2)
  
• Chimney Corner (N. Ireland Second Division)
  
• Wielsbeke (Belgian Third Division A)
  
• KS/Leiftur (Iceland First Division)
  

Note 1: Koping have a reputation of ZERO

Note 2: Koping and KS/Leiftur are amateur teams

There are some objectives with this experiment:

• Who will dominate the new footballing world (club wise) without any players?
  
• How well will the countries fare, will all of them qualify for the 2010 World Cup? Will one of them win it?
  
• Which club above will have the greatest success? Which club will dominate their top domestic league the quickest?
  

No player DB - here

THANKS TO GeedieZ FOR THE DB. PLEASE DO NOT POST YOUR RESULTS HERE...

Belgium - SC Wielsbeke - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                      Position       Europe          Other
08-09  Third Division A    [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/SCWielsbeke-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url]          [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneBelgianThirdDivisionA.jpg"]3rd[/url]         None           None[/font]

England - Vauxhall - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                      Position       Europe          Other
08-09  Blue Square North   [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/Vauxhall-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url]          [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneBSN.jpg"]1st[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         None       [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/VauxhallTrophies-July2009.jpg"]Trophies[/url][/font]

France - SO Cassis-Carnoux - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                      Position       Europe          Other
08-09  National            [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/SOCassis-Carnoux-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url]          [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneNational.jpg"]3rd[/url]         None      Promotion[/font]

Germany - Sandhausen - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                      Position       Europe          Other
08-09  Third Division      [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/SVSandhausen-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneGermanThirdDivision.jpg"]13th[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         None           None[/font]

Iceland - KS/Leiftur - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year    Division                 Position       Europe              Other
2008    First Division  [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2008September-KS-LeifturSquad.jpg"]Squad[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2008IcelandicFirstDivision.jpg"]2nd[/url]         None          Promotion[/font]

Italy - Prato - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                  Position       Europe          Other
08-09  Serie C2/B      [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/Prato-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url][/font][font=Courier New]          [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneSerieC2-B.jpg"]1st[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         None           None[/font]

N. Ireland - Chimney Corner - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                  Position       Europe          Other
08-09  Second Division  [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/ChimneyCorner-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneNISecond.jpg"]1st[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         None       [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/ChimneyCornerTrophies-2008-2009.jpg"]Trophies[/url][/font]

Romania - Mechel - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                       Position       Europe        Other
08-09  2nd Division - Group 2  [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/Mechel-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url][/font][font=Courier New]      [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneRomanianSecondLeagueGroup2.jpg"]12th[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         None         None[/font]

Spain - Ciudad de Santiago - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                     Position       Europe          Other
08-09  Second Division B1  [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/ChimneyCorner-July2009.jpg"]Squad[/url][/font][font=Courier New]        [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2009JuneSecondDivisionB1.jpg"]12th[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         None           None[/font]

Sweden - Koping - Roster

[font=Courier New]Year   Division                      Position       Europe          Other
2008   Second Division SS   [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2008November-KopingSquad.jpg"]Squad[/url][/font][font=Courier New]        [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2008SwedishSecondDivisionSS.jpg"]10th[/url][/font][font=Courier New]         None           None          [/font]

Oooh me like

Well for starters I think the majority of 'big' clubs in the loaded leagues will remain dominant largely because their of their reputations and training facilities - they should get the better regens on average and be in a stronger position to buy the best regens around the world.

Over time I hope we see the lowest rep clubs (but with fantastic facilities) rise to the top. Using a no player db should see them rise quicker as their regens have the potential to be great - its just a matter of how long they can keep hold of them.

Finally its my bold prediction Iceland will win a major International tournament within the first 6 they enter

Good luck rancer this has potential to be both great and highly intriguing. Look forward to the results

Looking forward to this one as well

• Who will dominate the new footballing world (club wise) without any players?
  

AC Milan

• How well will the countries fare, will all of them qualify for the 2010 World Cup? Will one of them win it?
  

New Zealand will actually make it in

• Which club above will have the greatest success? Which club will dominate their top domestic league the quickest?
  

I am not sure on this one, but I will pick Sandhausen.

Looks very intresting rancer, my predictions:

1. The big clubs will still dominate: Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan and Man Utd shouldn't have any troubles picking up the best regens.

2. New Zealand will easily qualify for WC2010 and China will make it to WC2014, none of the others will make the WC before 2022. I recon NZ will be knocked out in the group stages of WC2010 but make it to the 1/4 finals in 2014.

3. Tough call, I'd say eventually Prato will be the most successful. Initially it shouldn't take too long for the clubs from smaller nations to rise up through the leagues. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict Chimney Corner making the group stages of the Champions League by 2012

Sorry for the delay. I can't seem to load in French CFA, so had to resort to French National...

No worries Rancer it will be worth the wait

No MLS, rancer?

No MLS, rancer?

Too much parity in the league. (want to mainly deal with European leagues anyways)

Club rosters now up. (will use FMRTE for now, since I forgot to untick attribute masking )

Will make more updates tomorrow. Totally battered from all the internet issues I had today.

And there's a very talented Spanish player.

Wow that Spanish player is going to be amazing.

Gunnar Leosson for World Player of the Year. Get on the bandwagon while you still can guys \o/

\o/ A new worlds back, can't wait.

Ok, still only in September 2008, but the Swedish and Icelandic seasons are coming to a close. So I will probably post an update from those leagues today. One of them performed very well, and the other one...not so much.

And our other teams are also doing well, but won't post an update on those teams till I simulate to January 2009.

Premier Division

First Division

KS/Leiftur (Icelandic First Division)

Prediction: 11th

Finishing Position: 2nd

Cups:

• Icelandic Cup - lost in 2nd Round to Haukar 1-0
  

Squad

Player Stats

A successful season for the amateur Icelandic team, exceeding all expectations and getting promotion into the top tier Icelandic Premier Division.

[font=Courier New]Year       Division          Position       Europe          Other
2008       First Division         [url="http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/rancer890/FM09%20A%20New%20World%20Experiment/2008IcelandicFirstDivision.jpg"]2nd[/url]       None            Promotion[/font]

Next update: Sweden (around November 1st)

darn it, Gunnar Leonsson only played 3 games

November 4, 2008

The Swedish season has ended and the amateur team Koping FF did not perform as well as their Icelandic amateur counterparts, although to be fair they did have a reputation of ZERO...

End of Season Update

Well done KS/Leiftur! Very interesting so far!

Thanks.

I've simmed to January 2009, but won't post till tomorrow. (Studying for a test tomorrow)

A little teaser: (maybe guess which teams match )

Club Teams (discount Iceland and Sweden)

• three teams are leading their division
  
• two teams hanging around the promotion spots
  
• two teams are near the bottom, but safe for now
  
• one team is in a relegation spot
  

Nations

• one team easily qualified (guess which team that is! )
  
• one team is doing surprisingly good in the qualifiers
  
• one team eliminated already from qualifiers
  

NOTE: China and Somalia have already been eliminated at the beginning, so discount those two nations

NOTE: I will post most updates in a three-part series: (1) Domestic League and Europe Updates, (2) International Updates, and (3) Club updates, although international (January) and club updates (June) will only happen once per year (for teams that run from August to April anyways...). I have a habit of being a bit on the slow side with updates , so I probably won't post all the updates in one sitting or post a bit, and then keep updating (which is what I'm doing now).

January 3, 2009

Pro League

Second League

Third Division A

Third Division B

Observations: As expected, Standard is leading the league, with Club Brugge and Germinal Beerschot only 6 points behind them. The main shock is last year's finalist, Anderlecht, all the way in 13th place. They have already fired their manager.

English Premier League

Coca Cola Championship

Coca Cola League One

Coca Cola League Two

Blue Square Premier

Blue Square North

Blue Square South

Observations: As predicted, the top 4 is where they should be - in the top 4. Manchester United seem to be running away with the league, and have dominated most games. Fulham, Wigan, Stoke, and Hull are all fighting to get out of relegation. Sheffield United and Crystal Palace are in prime position for promotion, although the season is far from over. In League Two, Luton are only 7 points from safety, and would be leading the league if not for the 30 point deduction. Control team Vauxhall are in 1st, 8 points ahead of 2nd place Stalybridge.

Observations: No real surprises, except for Chimney Corner, who are destroying everyone in sight...they have already won the Intermediate League Cup and the Atrium Trophy.

My prediction may yet come true

My prediction may yet come true

I was quite surprised as well about their performance. But I probably shouldn't, since they have the best facilities in the world.

I think they can make some noise when they get to the Premier League...

the premiership legue table is kind of like this years league table (at the top anyways)

Updated my post with European updates.

Internationals will come in a couple hours (hopefully).

Finished the international update as well.

Next update won't be until July 2009.

If you feel there can be any improvements to the layout and presentation of anything, don't be hesitant to post.

Ok, so I've simmed to the beginning of June, and hope to post an update in the near future (hopefully this weekend if I can ). Just the Spanish leagues left to simulate past. The update will be around early July, with all leagues (except the summer leagues), and a club update (including the summer teams).

June 24, 2009

Pro League

Second League

Third Division A

Third Division B

Premier League

Championship

League One

League Two

Blue Square Premier

Blue Square North

Blue Square South

argh! huddersfield just miss out on promotion spot by 2 points but had a GD of +11

Finally finished updating the club team post.

Next update will be January 2010.

Once again, if these updates can be done better, don't be afraid to post. I know the club updates could be in more detail, but I'm updating 8 teams in one post.

Marian Suleap...My Player of the Year.

Interesting that a couple of leagues were completely dominated by the teams that have the Youth Facilities, but a couple of the other teams really struggled to even get anywhere near the title hunt.

The top of the Leagues didn't see any major changes, ManU, Inter, Madrid, Bayern taking out their titles as would probably be expected.

Any chance I can have a Screenie of my Player for the future? Also how is NZ looking in this experiment?

Marian Suleap...My Player of the Year.

Interesting that a couple of leagues were completely dominated by the teams that have the Youth Facilities, but a couple of the other teams really struggled to even get anywhere near the title hunt.

The top of the Leagues didn't see any major changes, ManU, Inter, Madrid, Bayern taking out their titles as would probably be expected.

Any chance I can have a Screenie of my Player for the future? Also how is NZ looking in this experiment?

Marian Suleap

I think Chimney Corner will breeze through the leagues tbh. And Koping already have had a takeover, and Prato might be following suit.

And no big changes for NZ. Entered the Confederations Cup and finished 2nd in a group with Brazil (1st), Spain (3rd), and South Africa (4th). Lost to Italy in the semis, and then Iraq in the 3rd place playoff. Italy defeated Brazil to claim the Confederations Cup. Currently 98th in the rankings.

Well at least his stats are in the right places, even if he is a bit low for the price tag (Though maybe exchange rate), He is definitely a man for the future.

Another team to probably look at would be San Marino. Since I increased the rep of the national team, the club team will also benefit somewhat from this. They were top of Serie C2/B for a while till their late season collapse...

And Luton were so close to overcoming the deficit...

Interesting that all the Spanish B-teams failed

but that would be down to the fact that they had to use grey players because all the created youth players would play for the first team, right?

Interesting that all the Spanish B-teams failed

but that would be down to the fact that they had to use grey players because all the created youth players would play for the first team, right?

Interesting observation.

Yeah, your second point probably explains it.

Except generally in these games the grey players are better than the regens for season 1-3 and then the regens head back past them again.

Except generally in these games the grey players are better than the regens for season 1-3 and then the regens head back past them again.

I would guess that the grey players in the Spanish Second Divison B are pretty bad

Yes but remember the Regens are also created with that level of play in mind, they are worse than the greys for the first few seasons...

Thanks for the nice bump Des.

Another update just happens to be coming either today or tomorrow. The Icelandic season is nearly over, and KS/Leiftur is just above the relegation spots atm...the next couple games will determine whether they stay up or not...

I am trying to work on my own updates as well But it is a lot of work, I am hoping my own will be up before the end of Easter as well

Hopefully tey fail and get relegated hehe

Yes but remember the Regens are also created with that level of play in mind, they are worse than the greys for the first few seasons...

What else could the reason be?

luton will dominate the blue square Premier but i feel That Vauxhall will be close to them.

luton will dominate the blue square Premier but i feel That Vauxhall will be close to them.

Not quite mate.

I am very close to posting up an update on the Icelandic League tonight. (My time)

If some of you were expecting an update, I'm sorry but it won't come tonight at least. I just recently found out a friend of mine committed suicide.

Sorry to hear