Two things regens lack

No.1: I noticed that in my game save (in 2021) there are no regens who's name ends in 'inho, which is quite frequent IRL.

No.2:Regen GKs lack agility. I can count with my fingers the number of Regen GKs in the whole save with 16 or over in agility

Who says there isn't going to be a massive wipe out of all the 'inho's' in the world

There will always be a Ronaldinho wannabe somewhere in the world!

In my game theres only one *inho.. Joao Moutinho, Werder Bremen manager..

Poor guy:D

I've got a couple of regen inho's in my game but they are both Portuguese. Fabio Coutinho and Miguel Pinho(might not count, not sure).

I'd also like to point out that good regens often lack two footedness

I'd also like to point out that good regens often lack two footedness

Really??...Wow, thanks for 'pointing that out', as there hasn't been umpteen threads/posts 'pointing this out' already:rolleyes:

Really??...Wow, thanks for 'pointing that out', as there hasn't been umpteen threads/posts 'pointing this out' already:rolleyes:

Unneeded abuse there.

Unneeded abuse there.

Fair enough, my sarcastic tone perhaps wasn't the the most constructive way I could have got my point accross, if I caused any offense by it, it was unintentional and I was simply trying to say that regens being predominately one footed is not something that really needs pointing out, as it's been a known issue for quite a while now.

The 'inho' thing is probably down to the fact that '...inho' is usually a nickname. It's only a guess though

The 'inho' thing is probably down to the fact that '...inho' is usually a nickname. It's only a guess though

Thats what I was about to post, surely this is the reason.

What about the low amount of agile GoalKeepers? Anyone else noticed this?

'inho' means 'little'

For example, Ronaldinho is actually called Ronaldo, but was nicknamed Ronaldinho (little Ronaldo) to distinguish him from the more famous Ronaldo.

From about 1300 regen GKs found (using the game's player search), noone has the more than 16 agility, while more than 900 have less than 10. I'm in 2016.

so many great regen players lack natural fitness..... but considering the state and health of our younger genration maybe this has been considered!

Also the goalie problem i have noticed, im currently in 2021 with arsenal and there is only two great regen goalies and they both are massively flawed, one has no agility, and another is lacking concentration and strength. anyone else find this?

From about 1300 regen GKs found (using the game's player search), noone has the more than 16 agility, while more than 900 have less than 10. I'm in 2016.

I think player search is not a good way to find, as many of the lesser known players will have attribute masking over their agility. I never use 3rd party scout program, perhaps someone that is familiar with using the external scouting program give us some light here on regen goalkeeper agility.

These two issues (agility and fitness) have been an annoyance in the game for as long as I remember.... FM2006 was particularly bad for this.

I find my regens can have great technical and physical abilities, but the key mental attrubutes always let down potential world beaters (decisions is often the worst of these)

Yeah, regen GK's are completely screwed up.

There's also:

- Too many fast defenders.

- DM's with low "marking" attribute. But their technical attributes like "Dribbling" and "First Touch" are great, in the history of football there were only one Paulo Roberto Falcão and one Fernando Redondo, but in FM, once you get in 2020 or something, there are hundreds of them.

- CM's that are fast and strong, CM's are usually slow and weak.

- Too many CM's with high "Tackling".

- Wingers with good defensive attributes.

- Too many winger with super high "Crossing".

- Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?"; yeah, Ibahimovic and who else? Short strikers with good "Heading" attribute. Actually striker are all the same, no matter their height or w/e.

- NO set piece specialists

- Low natural fitness

- Players with high technical attributes but poor "Flair". In 2027 the only player with a PA higher than 170 and has "Flair" 20 is Marquinhos. BTW, not a regen.

- Top players with low "Determination"

- You rarely see defensive players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Actually, players of every position have low "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Too many white players that are fast and strong. You know only black players are fast and strong at the same time.

- Nationality/race/whatever doesn't do any difference to the player's attribute actually.

- Too many defensive players with super high PA (like +185).

Just a few things i noticed.

I just don't understand why after so many years, regen issue are still not tune to acceptable level yet.

I just don't understand why after so many years, regen issue are still not tune to acceptable level yet.

Maybe SI doesn't think regens are important. Or maybe it's the lack of ambition.

Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?";

George Weah

Torres

Berbatov

Bergkamp

Kluivert

Drogba

Eidur Gudjohnsen

Thierry Henry

Kanu

Rivaldo

Ruud Gullit

All over 6ft2in

George Weah

Torres

Berbatov

Bergkamp

Kluivert

Drogba

Eidur Gudjohnsen

Thierry Henry

Kanu

Rivaldo

Ruud Gullit

All over 6ft2in

I'm talking about more than 190cm here. Maybe only Kanu there is taller than 190cm.

I'm talking about more than 190cm here.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=190cm+in+feet&meta=

Here to help

Still, those player you mentioned aren't taller than 190cm. Or 6'2'' as you wish.

Oh I forgot about the magic barrier that stops players being skillfull when they reach 6ft3 And yes some of them are.

I'm talking about more than 190cm here. Maybe only Kanu there is taller than 190cm.

Which happens to be just over 6ft 2 inches.

I just don't understand why after so many years, regen issue are still not tune to acceptable level yet.

To be fair, regens on 09 are a million times better than regens on 08. They have had alot of work. I think the only problem that spoils my enjoyment of a long term save is that it gets really difficult to find good GK regens.

There's not magic barrier. But it's a fact that most of over 190cm tall strikers are purely good finishers/headers, not the most skillful players out there.

Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?";

Niall Quinn's disco pants.

and he's definately over 6'3"

That's 1min plus a few seconds of a guy lobbing the keeper and shooting really hard.

By skillful i mean something more like this:

To be fair, regens on 09 are a million times better than regens on 08. They have had alot of work. I think the only problem that spoils my enjoyment of a long term save is that it gets really difficult to find good GK regens.

But then if you go back to 2007 you'll find that current ones are pretty much the same as the ones back then. It's just that 2008 was completely rubbish in this regard.

Having looked at the regen keepers on my game (sadly only using player search) they don't just have low agility, there physical stats are usually woeful on the whole (with the exception of jumping). Its like a whole team of Paul Robinsons are being produced. I can only guess that they are trying to represent that goalkeepers are usually not as quick, agile as outfield players etc. Idk though.

Having looked at the regen keepers on my game (sadly only using player search) they don't just have low agility, there physical stats are usually woeful on the whole (with the exception of jumping). Its like a whole team of Paul Robinsons are being produced. I can only guess that they are trying to represent that goalkeepers are usually not as quick, agile as outfield players etc. Idk though.

Thank goodness 'keepers keep going into their late 30's then.

LeoVieira has a very useful list of regen flaws. Can others confirm all or many of these issues? I haven't yet got that far into my FM09 campaign but it will become a major concern for me in coming seasons.

I'm talking about more than 190cm here. Maybe only Kanu there is taller than 190cm.

Peter Crouch

Two things my best regen lacks...

1) Hair.

2) An "exotic" sounding name.

But then if you go back to 2007 you'll find that current ones are pretty much the same as the ones back then. It's just that 2008 was completely rubbish in this regard.

I cannot remember the quirks of the 07 system but I always thought there was way too much quality and while I thought the same about 09's sytem, I think they have it about right.

Like I said, I cannot remember 07's failings - way too long since I played

in 2023 the are four good regens gk two welsh and two swiss other GK are not good

- Too many white players that are fast and strong. You know only black players are fast and strong at the same time.

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What? I can think only of Lucio and maybe Puyol.

I thought you were going to say beard and moustaches.

I thought you were going to say beard and moustaches.

That something i'd like to see on regens.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=190cm+in+feet&meta=

Here to help

here to be a smart arse

surely with all the regen goalkeepers being poor agility-wise, it means everyone plays from a level playing field.

yes obviously you would like some top-notch keepers ala casillas and buffon, but if its not to be then we'll have to do the best we can with what we've got.

(obviously, i'm not saying not having great keepers is a good thing...in fact i think it's a shambles!)

1. So many french regens having the same names.

74 regens with last name of Leclercq, 10 with Nicolas Leclercq, 7 with Christophe Leclercq. Just alot having the same last name and not many variations of the first name.

150 regens with last name of Garnier. Same kind of deal as above. Theres more last names that include alot of players, but cant be stuffed sorting through them.

I dont know if this is common or what just annoying because my scouts recommend players to me and I think I have seen them before.

George Weah

Torres

Berbatov

Bergkamp

Drogba

Eidur Gudjohnsen

Thierry Henry

Kanu

Rivaldo

Ruud Gullit

All over 6ft2in

Please scratch that mofo dutchman.

1. So many french regens having the same names.

74 regens with last name of Leclercq, 10 with Nicolas Leclercq, 7 with Christophe Leclercq. Just alot having the same last name and not many variations of the first name.

150 regens with last name of Garnier. Same kind of deal as above. Theres more last names that include alot of players, but cant be stuffed sorting through them.

I dont know if this is common or what just annoying because my scouts recommend players to me and I think I have seen them before.

Type "Smith" in the search box and you get alot more than 74 names, maybe just a common name in France?

It's not just a case of 'all midfielders should have good stats in the following areas' - every player has to have some levels of induviduality else we'd just have a bunch of carbon copies.

It's all well and good, but there have to be some exceptions to this general rule or we'll have a bunch of players that can never exist in reality. Such as the midget centre halves that can't jump to save their lives. Such players do not get to play in this position and if they can't play anywhere else they wouldn't even get into a half decent youth team. In FM however even top youth academies are full of them. There has to be some sort of minimum values for certain attributes which would then make the game assign suitable positions to players (or the other way around if that's how it works).

i don't understand the "agility does not do anything for GK's, and it being encompassed in reflexes" bit.

if agility is encompassed in reflexes...why have a stat showing agility?

and surely agility is important for goalkeepers and different to reflexes? if you're not agile, you can't jump and fling yourself high about the goal....which is different to reflexes, as reflexes should surely be how quickly a GK responds to shots?