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Raconteur
06-03-2009, 17:10
I've always had the mindset that FM should have a youth system below the age of 15/16.

Players irl start playing for a club at around 8 years old, and are trained up from there. While i appreciate not a lot of people do play 10 season games on FM, it would be nice to have some system where you could produce players from a younger age, and train them up.

Thoughts?

DanGLiverpool
06-03-2009, 17:12
I would like it, but not sure whether it would happen.

ftg87
06-03-2009, 17:13
I have seen this idea come up on here a few times now and, whilst I think there are some merits to it, I feel that having 3 squads full of players is plenty enough to deal with as it is. I mean, picking up youth players at 16 years old with a view to getting them playing regular 1st team football in maybe 5-6 years is enough youth development for me

martplfc1
06-03-2009, 17:13
Very good idea. I think this will probably be incorporated into the game in the future. Saying that though it would be hard to determine statistics etc., and may be a little unrealistic to quantify an 8 year old's potential. Would be a nice feature though!

arsenal_2111
06-03-2009, 17:13
For legal reasons players aren't allowed into the game under 16 years old. But I agree that it would be nice to be able to look in the Academy, and perhaps choose if you want to promote some players from the academy to your Academy to your youth squad. Thing is, these would have to regens because of the legal issues.

ssestig
06-03-2009, 17:14
Maybe from 15 onwards. Definitely not from 8 onwards as the database would be huge for just one league. Also those players who have 'world class potential' at 8 may not be a good player at say 14.

Neil Brock
06-03-2009, 17:14
Yeah as someone else said, because of legal issues this is unlikely to happen.

DanGLiverpool
06-03-2009, 17:15
Maybe just make up some regens for the academy, maybe from 12-13 onwards, to avoid legal issues.

Kickballz
06-03-2009, 17:17
I can't see any merit even if it was legally possible. Would you really want to bother about 8 year olds who wouldn't be getting into the first team for another 10 years?

martplfc1
06-03-2009, 17:18
The regens already start at 14 in some cases.

arsenal_2111
06-03-2009, 17:21
I can't see any merit even if it was legally possible. Would you really want to bother about 8 year olds who wouldn't be getting into the first team for another 10 years?

Actually, I would. There is nothing more pleasing that having a player come from your youth team to become a starter for you. I've only ever done this once, with Aaron Bath. He is a first team player now, and one of the reasons I cant bring myself to quit this game.

Maybe not eight years old though, thinking about it. Maybe 12?

Wayne\'o
06-03-2009, 17:26
i think players from 15/16 is ok, there are alot of regens that apear from no where at the age of 19/20 and have bliding stats, IRL a player like this would of had to learn his trade some where, so i think all regens should start at 15/16 but have a different level of CA and PA as apposed to 20 year old with CA of 140 appearing from no where.

Kickballz
06-03-2009, 17:28
Actually, I would. There is nothing more pleasing that having a player come from your youth team to become a starter for you. I've only ever done this once, with Aaron Bath. He is a first team player now, and one of the reasons I cant bring myself to quit this game.

Maybe not eight years old though, thinking about it. Maybe 12?

It would be a logistical nightmare. Imagine the database with all these thousands of kids connected to clubs at that age bearing in mind that only a fraction remain in the game. The rest..I don't know..they all go off and play playstation and Xbox.

arsenal_2111
06-03-2009, 18:18
It would be a logistical nightmare. Imagine the database with all these thousands of kids connected to clubs at that age bearing in mind that only a fraction remain in the game. The rest..I don't know..they all go off and play playstation and Xbox.

There wouldn't have to be a database tbh. They could be regens randomly generated on every game. You would only need to see it on the human club too, imo. And maybe a few players at varying clubs to appear in scout reports.

brez22
06-03-2009, 18:23
my idea is for at the end of a season when the regens come in you have to choose who to release and who to bring to the under 18s , this would leave challenges of not letting good players go that could then move to other clubs and to also get the right squad balance and size.i want this because it annoys me when sometimes you hardly get any regens in the team or too many in one position

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 21:43
forlegal reasons players arent allowed into the game? well what about martin galvan who was in the game last year aged 14? and this year aged 15? i heard someone, not on these forums or anything, say he was too young to be on the game yet(for this years release). yet i knew he was already on last years. so whats that about then? care to elaborate?

ftg87
06-03-2009, 21:51
forlegal reasons players arent allowed into the game? well what about martin galvan who was in the game last year aged 14? and this year aged 15? i heard someone, not on these forums or anything, say he was too young to be on the game yet(for this years release). yet i knew he was already on last years. so whats that about then? care to elaborate?

There was quite lengthy discussion about that here (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=53415), although looks like no one from SI gave any explanation

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 21:51
i think players from 15/16 is ok, there are alot of regens that apear from no where at the age of 19/20 and have bliding stats, IRL a player like this would of had to learn his trade some where, so i think all regens should start at 15/16 but have a different level of CA and PA as apposed to 20 year old with CA of 140 appearing from no where.

yeah i had a file last year and i was chelsea and i noticed real madrid bought a player for such and such millions and i looked at him he was really good but he had only came into the game aged 20/21. thats totally unrealistic. regens seem to come through too late in some cases....but when they have high potential have the high ability to match that and the age to go with it. like you say theyd have to learn from somewhere, they wouldnt come from nowhere be amazing etc....

Nomis07
06-03-2009, 21:51
IIRC there was dispensation given to Galvan because of his potential.

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 21:53
There was quite lengthy discussion about that here (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=53415), although looks like no one from SI gave any explanation

i dont get the legal reasons then, if they are cheeky enough to put a lad whos poor in the game at the start, but give him *** potential. if hes got nothing special about him at the moment, i.e the poor current stats, then why do they rate him so highly and put him in the game and, 'apparently' risk legal issues, being 14/15?? i dont get it

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 21:55
IIRC there was dispensation given to Galvan because of his potential.

what potential is that? theres nothing special about him at the start of the game (!) so what is it do they think is so stand out-ish??

why make him so poor then, but give him such a high rating (***)?

DanGLiverpool
06-03-2009, 22:03
I hope that kid at Wolves who was in the NOTW ages ago is in the game next year, because if he is I am snapping him up.

Serbian kid, if he decides to play for Serbia and not England, could make Serbia better in a while.

Twellman24
06-03-2009, 22:04
Lol at some people writing like they're interrogating SI. BFD, move on and enjoy the game.

Nomis07
06-03-2009, 22:08
Because he has the potential to improve.

outlaw640
06-03-2009, 22:08
The mexico researcher did a bad thing with galvan, making him older than he is in real life to include him in the game

joshmay07
06-03-2009, 22:19
even though for "legal" reasons real players under 16 might not be aloud in but the game could make regens at the start of the game for academy's this could also be a tick option like the player masking and add key staff options

What do you think to that ? and si is this legal ?

Nomis07
06-03-2009, 22:23
That wouldn't be illegal, but I think 14/15 is as low as i'd like to see it go. An 8 year old would have attributes of 1 in all areas, and it would be a pointless exercise.

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 22:24
Because he has the potential to improve.

what to *** standard? ...jokes...

and btw what does iirc stand for??

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 22:25
Lol at some people writing like they're interrogating SI. BFD, move on and enjoy the game.

lol - yeah - lets leave the interrogation to the lawyers eh ;)

whats bfd??

joshmay07
06-03-2009, 22:26
That wouldn't be illegal, but I think 14/15 is as low as i'd like to see it go. An 8 year old would have attributes of 1 in all areas, and it would be a pointless exercise.

i agree there 14/15 only and maybe the odd 13 year old wonderkid but 8 is way too young but if this was to be implemented it would have to be a tick option or as an extra data base selection. (small, med, large, large and add inc. youth

arsenal_2111
06-03-2009, 22:27
what to potential x standard? ...jokes...

and btw what does iirc stand for??

If I remember/recall correctly.

I'd appriciate it if you could edit the three posts that you mention his PA. People in GD may not want to know a players potential.

EDIT: Oh, and BFD (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=fX2&defl=en&q=define:BFD&ei=VpWxSbfSFuKtjAflkdjdBQ&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title) - Warning, contains swearing.

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 22:52
If I remember/recall correctly.

I'd appriciate it if you could edit the three posts that you mention his PA. People in GD may not want to know a players potential.

EDIT: Oh, and BFD (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=fX2&defl=en&q=define:BFD&ei=VpWxSbfSFuKtjAflkdjdBQ&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title) - Warning, contains swearing.

your post now still shows my original posting....

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 22:58
he is simplying pointing out that you shouldnt mention players pa as it spoils it for others.he can delete the quote

are you stupid i have done already. i simply said my original post is in his post, just so he is reminded/aware of it. has nothing to do with you. comprende?

arsenal_2111
06-03-2009, 22:58
your post now still shows my original posting....

Thanks, I normally remember to edit it out but forgot this time:thup:

joshmay07
06-03-2009, 23:03
Haha Love the comprende :p But back on topic . . . .

Nomis07
06-03-2009, 23:04
are you stupid i have done already. i simply said my original post is in his post, just so he is reminded/aware of it. has nothing to do with you. comprende?

That sort of idiot post isn't welcome on these forums, why don't you put your toys back in your pram and let people help you?

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 23:10
That sort of idiot post isn't welcome on these forums, why don't you put your toys back in your pram and let people help you?

im sorry i wasnt aware i was being helped??

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 23:15
where do i get an explanation of these infraction numbers?

i told him his message wasnt necessary which it wasnt... and saying my post was an 'idiot post' is the same. it would be appreciated if you wouldnt refer to it as that. im glad someone enjoyed my wit at least

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 23:23
cant say anything these days without being pulled up for p.c.'ness

conshaldo_bonaldo
06-03-2009, 23:30
i mean beckham was spotted by man utd at 12 wasnt he so i mean if it goes far back as that then i havent got a problem with it. anything before that is a bit over the top. 12/13 sounds good.

joey6
06-03-2009, 23:44
i always liked the youth system in TCM, I think the youth system needs revamping aswell, such as a head of youth developement signing young players throughout the year instead of just end of the season, like from other teams or free transfers etc.

Wayne\'o
07-03-2009, 11:44
right or wrong we can disscuss this for ever, for leagl reason's not sure it will ever happen allthough i have seen a 14 year old in the game before..

I think if every regen that enters the game started at 16 and had a realistic CA.. in years gone by player's such as Owen, Rooney did play for there clubs aged 16 if im correct? they did obviously have training from a much younger age and they also had a very high CA at the age of 16..

Going below this age would make the game more real life but i think it would bog down and glog the data base, would make the game very slow, it makes it slow enough as it is if you load alot of leagues or use DDT files...

I think we would be fine if all regens started there football life at 15 or 16 in Football Manager..

iamjerome
07-03-2009, 12:12
age 14 onwards would be a good time, i'd love this to be honest

phnompenhandy
07-03-2009, 12:30
The regens already start at 14 in some cases.

In country's where it's legal, such as in S. America. Not in England.

As said, allowing U16 regens to appear in the database would get round this restriction, I think.

bemerry65
08-03-2009, 21:54
I dont understand, whats wrong with having regens (regenerated / made up people) in a game. They arn't even real. Who is going to sue who? and on what grounds lol. It cant be illegal :D

arsenal_2111
08-03-2009, 21:55
I dont understand, whats wrong with having regens (regenerated / made up people) in a game. They arn't even real. Who is going to sue who? and on what grounds lol. It cant be illegal :D

That isn't illegal. But putting in real players under 16 is.

Campbell1892
08-03-2009, 22:07
its too hard to determine level of potential at such a young age i think FM looks at it like imagine their was a child system the 5 that come through every season are the ones that are worth making it through that child systame and only 1 or 2 of them may be useful...

lomekian
09-03-2009, 02:30
It would be nice to have the odd exceptional 14/15 year old breaking into the u18s...like benik afobe for instance. or Aaron Spear. (ie regens...we understand the legality issues)..however what the game should have without any doubt is the international u18 tournaments for top club sides that are arranged every year. They could be used for both scouting and testing your kids purposes