Snipers in FM

I wanna hear from people experiencing the same as me and not some troll whos gonna say "It's your tactics!" - Genious, but NO!

I swear some of the AI's players were trained in the army cos they must be shooting their balls from sniper rifles. Its not a matter of a "1 shot, 1 kill" ratio but to more like a "1 shot, 1 goal" ratio!!!

And most of the time u can expect it to be from their first shot on goal lol its funny cos i feel as if im a pshycic! Its just annoying rather than "i cant play this no more!"

Also with the the shot on target ratio, I could have lets say a 12/8 - no goal, but the opposition could have a 2/1 - goal or maybe 2.

It does get rediculous at times but its no bother as im 3rd in the league but it can **** me right off at best of times.

But to say its down to tactics all the time is rediculous. Say im at home and I mirror the same tactic as the oppostion, im not suggesting I should also be mirroring the outcomes i.e possesion, shots etc etc. but their should be some equal or there abouts some where right?

So how does this total imbalance happen?

Then I go over and check this wonder out and his finishing is 11 and long shots is 9 - The new Batistuta if u ask me, that must be why?

Like I said, im not complaining this is a "BUG" but more of a "FLAW" within the game some where?

It's not just about TACTICS, but also the legs on the pitch right? So a team that is inferior to me by a large difference in quality can pull of these imbalances due to my "TACTIC" ?come off it son...

I wanna hear from people experiencing the same as me and not some troll whos gonna say "It's your tactics!" - Genious, but NO!

I swear some of the AI's players were trained in the army cos they must be shooting their balls from sniper rifles. Its not a matter of a "1 shot, 1 kill" ratio but to more like a "1 shot, 1 goal" ratio!!!

And most of the time u can expect it to be from their first shot on goal lol its funny cos i feel as if im a pshycic! Its just annoying rather than "i cant play this no more!"

Also with the the shot on target ratio, I could have lets say a 12/8 - no goal, but the opposition could have a 2/1 - goal or maybe 2.

It does get rediculous at times but its no bother as im 3rd in the league but it can **** me right off at best of times.

But to say its down to tactics all the time is rediculous. Say im at home and I mirror the same tactic as the oppostion, im not suggesting I should also be mirroring the outcomes i.e possesion, shots etc etc. but their should be some equal or there abouts some where right?

So how does this total imbalance happen?

Then I go over and check this wonder out and his finishing is 11 and long shots is 9 - The new Batistuta if u ask me, that must be why?

Like I said, im not complaining this is a "BUG" but more of a "FLAW" within the game some where?

It's not just about TACTICS, but also the legs on the pitch right? So a team that is inferior to me by a large difference in quality can pull of these imbalances due to my "TACTIC" ?come off it son...

i'm sorry but i believe it is your tactics

Humorous... and i believe its ur case of not being able to read.

I want to hear from peeps like u, those of who are having a similar problem. Im not moanin about bugs or the like just want to hear from people having same probs? Too much to ask? To tell you the truth, its foolish of me to think otherwise with morons like ur self parading these forums putting in input that is not valid from the post in general.

I wasnt asking for help or moaning. But idiotic twats like ur self give their 2 cents none the less. Thank you any way.

Excuse me, was meant to say "Dont want to hear from people like you"

Also lol, this is coming from some one who asked for help "Reading the match engine" regarding how to make a tactic lol pls dont return.

It is your tactics.

You obviously dont want to hear it but if you keep acting like that when you dont get the answer you want then people wont be inclined to help you in future.

Hey, richib. I'm American, and last year, I was down at an American Under-16 match, regional, watching two teams which were nothing special - e.g., neither is going to win a national youth title or produce a professional player.

I saw a kid drill a beautiful shot to the top-left corner from beyond the arc, the sort of "No keeper in the world would have stopped that" effort.

He's American, and nothing special by our standards, so how bad does he have to be?

On the FM scale, he'd have to have a '1' for Long Shots, and probably no better than a '1' for finishing as well.

What's the point?

Well, if that's the standard at the American youth level, then by the time you get to a professional squad, 11 finishing, 9 long shots, you're looking at the sort of player who can hit the net from twenty-five yards every time, at least on the training ground.

In a match?

If you don't put some pressure on him - get a player closing him down, ideally between him and the goal, or jostling him for possession, he's got every chance of hitting the target.

I used to have this problem, gosh, back in FM'05? Where opponent after opponent would drill 30-yard strikers past me.

I was able to counteract it by making some adjustments to my individual Closing Down, Tackling, and Mentality instructions, especially among my "back five" (back four and DM).

Also, SI pointed out that shots to the top half of the next bring the goalkeeper's Aerial Ability into play; mine was .. pathetic. Changing keepers helped a lot as well.

Yes, the 8.0.2 patch seems to have increased the efficacy of shots form the 18-25-yard-range, but I think that there are effective tactical counters to it.

If you want to know exactly how to, there have been several discussions of the issue in the Tactics and Training Tips forum.

oh my life u 2x4 read the post, i said im not moaning or complaining. im 3rd in the league im going strong... but every now and then i can be dominating the game... shots on target double of that by the opposition and still can not score. they get 1 or 2 shots and score... its annoying that is all, im asking is any 1 else experiencing similar accounts... not is it my fooking tactics.

if its my tactics how can i be 3rd with less than a quarter of the season left and dominating the match. But my WHOLE point of the subject is for the likes of u is " DOES ANY ONE ELSE EXPERIENCE A TEAM SCORING OFTEN WITH THEIR FIRST SHOT or SCORE WITH A CONSIDERABLE LESS AMOUNT OF SHOTS COMPARED TO YOU???? How many times do i have to say it lol...

sorry amorok that wasnt to u

Sure i understand ur comment and its a valid comparison to a situation that is possible.

But do u see that type of situation happening often? I think not. One situation of where the AI scored from was near the corner flag!!!

No worries, richib. I totally empathize with your frustration.

No, I don't see the situation you're describing happening to me a lot .. either IRL or in the game.

Well, I did for a while have a striker who could score from seemingly impossible angles, but since he was on my team I was happy about it.

As far as the question in all-caps, yes, I've certainly read a lot of posts from people complaining about an opposition team scoring with their first shot, and/or scoring with a considerably less amount of shots compared to the human player.

However, there are equally players who have gotten past/around that as a problem, and who claim that there's a tactical solution to it.

The fact that you're third in the league doesn't, I think, guarantee that your tactics are always right: more than ever, the game has become a "rock scissors paper" mechanic, where (I think!) its almost necessary to have a couple different tactical approaches depending on what the AI is trying to accomplish at a given moment.

So, you might have a tactic which is perfect for the AI's rock, and perfect for the AI's paper, but is vulnerable to these long shots when the AI tries scissors.

I think that gets exacerbated by the "hot/cold" effect SI have built in for goalkeepers, and that can especially be a problem for you if your goalkeeper has low Concentration or low Consistency.

Anyways, if you want to approach it as a tactical problem, the Tactics and Training Tips forum is open to you, and I think you've got a perfectly valid thing to start with as a question there:

"My tactic works, its got me third in the league, dominating most matches, but it has this one niggling vulnerability: I keep conceding 30-yard screamers to guys who don't look like long-shot specialists.

How do I tighten that up without munging up the rest of the tactic, which clearly works?"

. . .

The other thing that may be going on is, if you feel like this happens to you say only one match in four or one match in five .. maybe its happening only on matches where you (or your assistant) "Get the Team-Talk Wrong"?

That's been my biggest frustration with the current team-talks mechanic: it seems like its a bit too easy to "get it wrong", and when I do, things seem to go horribly south for that half, even from within tactics that normally work very well.

. . .

Hope that's helped some: I don't mean to say "Its your tactics", but more to give you the sense that there will be things you can do about it. There's nothing more frustrating than feeling like "I've tried A, I've tried B, I've tried C, and nothing works!"

This, incidentally, is why I'm always arguing for more feedback from the game to the player.

Not to put words in his mouth, but I get the feeling that the thing that's frustrating for richib here isn't the fact that players score against him, its, that he's seeing this clear pattern but doesn't see why the pattern is happening. Consequently, it doesn't feel like there's anything he can do about it. As soon as he feels powerless to do anything about it, it feels like a bug instead of something that is fun to work out a solution to.

wow amaroq what can i say? A constructive response that entails a solution other then the usual response "it's ur tactic" where as it could lay with the team talk scenario?

Thanks mate for understanding my post as a whole and not just as a tactic going wrong!

For many here that is some what hard to grasp and have no other alternative to as why? lol ur a breath of fresh air here!

About 120 miles, when Crouch scored at Anfield from Gerrard's Cross.

You're welcome!

You might enjoy seeing that in action with the thread A manual to Team Talk, where Luiz Hemerly (on 8.0.1) stated that improving his team talks solved the shot/goal ratio problem for him.

Of course, if you want more information on FM psychology, I think

Wolfsong's guide to team talks - Fm08

and

Communication and Psychological Warfare

are the two seminal posts on the subject.

Post back to this thread, will you, either if you're able to turn it around (and, if so, what you think was key to making that change), or if not - we'll keep trying.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wwfan:

About 120 miles, when Crouch scored at Anfield from Gerrard's Cross. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oops, wrong thread.

Hey, wwfan, I remember in a different GQ thread you'd said you had a (tactical) solution to this - I wasn't able to find that for ease of linkage, if you've discussed it. Do you mind adding such a link, if you've got it handy?

Thanks,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Amaroq:

Hey, wwfan, I remember in a different GQ thread you'd said you had a (tactical) solution to this - I wasn't able to find that for ease of linkage, if you've discussed it. Do you mind adding such a link, if you've got it handy?

Thanks, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '08. No surprise there. The relevant information is to be found when I discuss Control based systems, which, unfortunately, runs throughout the post rather than being in one easy to digest soundbite (no CLoughie, me!!).

For better ease of understanding, it is further discussed in the embedded link in the Control section of the first post. It is also discussed in the OP here in much more condensed form. It's for '07 but still holds true, more or less, for '08.

Thanks, mate! I'd scanned TT&F thinking of linking to it, but didn't spot anything that seemed spot-on for it.

Read up and learn tactics. It is the only way to get better.

You can whine all you want...mummy won't make it better.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by richib:

wow amaroq what can i say? A constructive response that entails a solution other then the usual response "it's ur tactic" where as it could lay with the team talk scenario?

Thanks mate for understanding my post as a whole and not just as a tactic going wrong!

For many here that is some what hard to grasp and have no other alternative to as why? lol ur a breath of fresh air here! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are posting issues in GQ that the tacticians try to respect. Many GQ regulars don't want to read extensive tacical detail and prefer to design their own without any outside help. Hence, 'it's your tactics' being prevalent!

Without exception, every single tactical question has already been answered in T&TT or FMB (which T&TT explicitly links to). If you really want to understand the nuances of tactics, it is best to ask in those forums, or, even better, read the conceptual tactical design threads already posted and come to your own conclusions. Amaroq can only offer generalised advice in GQ. I suggest reading his linked information.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimboola:

Read up and learn tactics. It is the only way to get better.

You can whine all you want...mummy won't make it better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Nope but mummy may help u learn to read u moron... read my post scum and u will see im not whining but ASKING a question u 2x4 lol get life and maybe "mummy" will love u cos u obviously dont get none?

richib - please try not to rise to the bait. It's a sure way to get your thread closed.

Head over to Tactics & Training for more help or advice. You've already had some super advice here from Amaroq and wwfan. GQ isn't the best place for tactical help and those of us who post regularly in the tactics forum can always offer friendly advice, so long as it's asked in a friendly manner.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by richib:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimboola:

Read up and learn tactics. It is the only way to get better.

You can whine all you want...mummy won't make it better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Nope but mummy may help u learn to read u moron... read my post scum and u will see im not whining but ASKING a question u 2x4 lol get life and maybe "mummy" will love u cos u obviously dont get none? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cut out the abuse please.

Also, please have a look at the forum rules, 'text speak' style abbreviations are not allowed on these forums.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by richib:

Also lol, this is coming from some one who asked for help "Reading the match engine" regarding how to make a tactic lol pls dont return. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow you really cant handle a joke can you. also I accept that my tactics are too blame for my teams poor performance and so instead of complaining about it, I decided to do something constructive about it.

Anytime your ready to apologise for unnecessary name calling I'll be here to accept your apology.

I'm really not interested in arguing with you.