stadium design

do u think you should be able to design your own stadium like on lma manager. i dont play that any more i stopped playing that in 2003. and went to fm

its fun idea

Not really a managers job though is it?

I don't really like the idea. It's not like real football managers have an say in the design of their clubs' stadiums anyway.

No, pure and simple.

Although I feel this would add another dimension to the Football Manager games, I don't think it should be added. In real life managers would have minimal or no say in stadium designs, bar maybe if they were at the club a long time such as Ferguson or Wenger. Even then, I very much doubt if they would be any influence in the final decision.

Whilst i dislike the idea, i also dislike people saying it isn't the managers job. Managers rarely do the negotiating for contracts of new players but if it was taken out of our hands then the game would be boring.

Im all for realism but unless there is an equal investment in both realism and fun then the game will gradually alienate its players. I was disappointed with the new features offered by SI for FM09 and I have seen since the game was released more and more people making valid complaints and being told to try a different game or head to the tactics forum.

I will be criticised for saying this but i have noticed an increase in the level of snobbery regarding FM

Go and play the EA game, they lets you build the stadium, and pick the players underwear.

before we add more stuff how about spending time on fixing next years version

eg. making the 3d better and sorting out press conferences from being a complete mind-numbing experience

does anyone just press the answers now instead of reading the same old questions? or is that just me

I would say that if a manager stays loyal like Fergie, they all sit together and talk about a new stadium.

Having seen actual in-game graphics, I would schedule this debate in 10 years time.

more and more people making valid complaints and being told to try a different game or head to the tactics forum.

"Go and play the EA game, they lets you build the stadium, and pick the players underwear." - kinda proves my point don't it?!?

"before we add more stuff how about spending time on fixing next years version

eg. making the 3d better and sorting out press conferences from being a complete mind-numbing experience"

Agreed regarding 3d, I have seen freeware games with better graphics than these. Also the press conferences are just a rehash and more drawn out version of the previous game (just as repetitive) with a gimmick of being able to add your own comment.

You should have a say on the capacity and on the expansion capacity.

While I agree the criticism here is less than constructive it's not really an example of a 'valid complaint' - it's been discussed before fairly recently... also the OP did just ask for peoples opinions rather than make an argument for it so...

I also think that the 3d is a lot better than it's given credit for - the point of FM isn't to look good it's to try and get it realistic which won't be achieved by concentrating on oversized players and detailed faces etc, I'm, personally, happy with the way it's going and from a first gen graphics engine I really don't think it's that bad. But obviously again being first gen there's gonna be a lot of dev to do on it, I'm not disagreeing there.

nd on the expansion capacity.

Only if you're on thelocal councils planning/development comittee

I wasn't trying to turn this thread into an argument i just felt that it seems that more people have begun to dismiss things just because they don't like the idea. I remember when you could have a civilised discussion regarding the future of fm without being told to go play fifa. It's just frustrating that's all...

If you want to build your own stadium buy Lego :-)

Lego's fun but expensive, plus i believe that he wantsto discuss the option of designing stadiums.

I think anything thats optional only adds to the game it can't really take anything away from it.

let's get the game we're playing now right first before letting SI mess it up more with stupid things like this and press meetings. I'd prefer there were WAGS getting s*** r****** or starting chat shows than this

Lego's fun but expensive, plus i believe that he wantsto discuss the option of designing stadiums.

I think anything thats optional only adds to the game it can't really take anything away from it.

I disagree, we've seen what happens at times when SI add something big to the game and concentrate on that... CM4 anyone? I think it'd be better to concentrate on perfecting the actual management game before adding something big like that... I know we're not supposed to mention FIFA Manager but the big difference between the two for me is that FM is a football management simulation game, FIFA Manager is a football life simulation game - and all the FIFA Managers I've seen have fallen down drastically because instead of focussing on management they've tried to put everything in there.. like stadiums etc. I'd prefer to see SI stick at what they do best personally.

the only reason why someone would open such a topic is because he/she is not interested in the game itself, he/she just skips games (holiday), and enjoys other features such as training transfers poshy glossy porno star glamour.

Some good points but I have less faith in SI now than what i did 4/5 years ago, imo the games have got progressively less fun and too concentrated around being real than on being fun. There will always be those who defend the game through rose-tinted glasses simply because "its better than fifa manager". SI have been working on a game for a year and every year they promise it'll be better and every year they need a patch to fix it, only this time it needed 2.

If they could improve the management side of the game then i'd eat these words but for some reason i dont think it will get majorly better only marginaly

I still fail to see how 'they needed to patch it' is a valid argument against the game - almost all games are patched at some point in their lifetime and the very nature of a game like FM -an open ended simulation - means it's pretty much impossible to catch all the bugs pre release because it's going to be run so many times with individual little changes making the game work slightly differently - it's the same principle as weather prediction - even the slightest click in the 'wrong' place may prevent a bug being discovered that only occurs in 2051 in Outer Mongolia... a game like FM is chaos theory at its most basic. Maybe one or two of the bugs should have been caught beforehand, that could be a valid argument, but the existence of patches really isn't.

It wasn't the necessity of the patches that was my point it was the point that this edition has needed more patches than previous.

To say that "the only reason why someone would open such a topic is because he/she is not interested in the game itself, he/she just skips games (holiday), and enjoys other features such as training transfers poshy glossy porno star glamour." is a ridiculous statement as there is no basis for it, he/she is clearly interested enough to post their thoughts on what might be an improvement to the game and he/she hasn't got the discussion they wanted...their idea has been shot down and that apparently is that...

FM by its very nature will always need patching. It is a reflection of SIs loyalty to their userbase that they produce as many patches as they do.

That said your statement that the games have got progressively less fun does have some merit. Whilst i personally like the added depth i can easily see how the degree of added complexity can make the game less fun and more of a chore. Alas this is the direction SI have chosen, and will continue to take the game, which means some people will inevitably become disillusioned and move onto other less realistic games.

i think little ideas like this will increase the appeal of FM, i think people want it too be far too realistic and the occasional cool,fun little addition will take away the serious edge of the game. Perhaps people will enjoy the game more, if they get the odd little fun task to complete, like stadium design, organising a player fun day, letting the team have a day off training, sending them on a charity event. Things that happen in real life, that make you smile and occasionly laugh

If I want to design a stadium I'll get Football Stadium Designer 2010 instead of Football Manager 2010.

How many managers design the team's ground? Zero. How many boards design the ground? Zero. Designers design it, and the board approves their favoured choice. It is very rare the manager has any input at all.

Nobby, do you not think it would be fun though, if the board said heres a choice of 5 stadium designs, which do you prefer?

One thing I think would be good was if your club needed to build a new stadium, that when you asked for the stadium capacity to be increased the board could say that building a new stadium will require x amount of funding to build so therefore your transfer budget will be reduced to meet the loan repayments. Then you could either accept the reduced budget for the next few seasons of decide not to build the new stadium and wait till there is more money in the clubs balance so a loan wouldn't be required.

Nobby, do you not think it would be fun though, if the board said heres a choice of 5 stadium designs, which do you prefer?

It would be fun, but Football Manager isn't fun, it's a job;)

Would just take away realism imo, and there are other things that I would prefer to see first.

Like any stadiums, instead of sheds with grey boxes.

Yes there should be a way to design your stadium

but mainly in the forum of a pre-start editor, i'm not a fan of the grey 3d stands with no one in them

There are 2 completely separate issues here.

1. As a manager, you have no say IRL over stadium design, so fun or not, it should be no part of FM.

2. The other issue is the graphical representation of stadia in the 3D engine. It should be possible for graphical teccies to use software to create stadia for us to download, but that's an issue for the Graphics [skinning] forum, not here.

Designing the stadiums would be pretty cool, but i think it owuld be better if you jsut had a 3d view of your stadium, and when it gets expanded you can see where it's been expanded, and also if you get a new stadium built, you could discuss wether you want a bowl stadium or a rectangular one and then see that in 3d view when it's done.

So basicly, be able to see what your stadium looks like and not no editing tools for it.

If I want to design a stadium I'll get Football Stadium Designer 2010 instead of Football Manager 2010.

How many managers design the team's ground? Zero. How many boards design the ground? Zero. Designers design it, and the board approves their favoured choice. It is very rare the manager has any input at all.

How many managers pick friendlies, negotiate contracts, negotiate bids, set training schedules etc etc etc?

I agree that designing a stadium isn't something that should be added to FM, but your reasoning is flawed.

Let's try a different tack.

Managers should not have stadium design input. End of.

However, why not have Stadium Design in the FM Editor? Have the long stands split into 6 different oblongs and the short stands behind the goal split into three.

Have standard pieces of Stadia Kit like Seated (Small, Medium, Large), Two Tier Seated, Terraced, Grass Bank, Brick Wall, etc. etc, be able to edit the paint job.

Keep it out of the FM in-game and slap it in the editor. Granted, it will be cosmetic but it seems on the forum some people are arsed about seeing Droylsden play in an exact replica of the Butcher's Arms Ground.

Some monstrosities may be constructed though if new grounds are made in game by boards if this ever became a feature. Personally, I'd get the bugs sorted first before I'd be bother about stadia.

waterboy - you've really just repeated what I wrote above. No harm getting a second opinion tho'!

If I want to design a stadium I'll get Football Stadium Designer 2010 instead of Football Manager 2010.

How many managers design the team's ground? Zero. How many boards design the ground? Zero. Designers design it, and the board approves their favoured choice. It is very rare the manager has any input at all.

and what about those that do want to design stadiums. Just cos the option is there doesn't mean you have to use it. What if for FM10 SI took away the ability to negotiate any deals and all you were able to do was declare your targets...very realistic but not fun at all.

All i am saying is that clearly some people want the feature and clearly some people don't, so why can't a compromise be reached and the OPTION be included. That way those who want it have it and those that don't can ignore it. However the overall gameplay should come first, but something like a stadium designer should never be dismissed immediately.

waterboy - you've really just repeated what I wrote above. No harm getting a second opinion tho'!

So I have! Apologies. Great minds and all that.

and what about those that do want to design stadiums. Just cos the option is there doesn't mean you have to use it.

A stadium designer would require a lot of data, given the amount of people who have issues with 09 processing, adding to this with an unrealistic and apparantly unpopular suggestion is a no go afaic.

How many managers pick friendlies those that wish to, negotiate contracts those that have time to, negotiate bids more than most people think, set training schedules pretty much all of them etc etc etc?

I agree that designing a stadium isn't something that should be added to FM, but your reasoning is flawed.

The reasoning isn't flawed at all.

I wouldn't mind it being an option in the editor, but how many options are you really going to have? Small, medium and large? Colours?

The reasoning isn't flawed at all.

I'll respectfully disagree, for the same reasons as before, you haven't proved me wrong or convinced me.

How many managers pick friendlies, negotiate contracts, negotiate bids, set training schedules etc etc etc?

I agree that designing a stadium isn't something that should be added to FM, but your reasoning is flawed.

SCIAG has the answers.

and what about those that do want to design stadiums.

Then they should play FIFA Manager, where it's more about gimmicks than managing a team.

Nobby, do you not think it would be fun though, if the board said heres a choice of 5 stadium designs, which do you prefer?

No I don't.

Although I feel this would add another dimension to the Football Manager games, I don't think it should be added. In real life managers would have minimal or no say in stadium designs, bar maybe if they were at the club a long time such as Ferguson or Wenger. Even then, I very much doubt if they would be any influence in the final decision.

I don't think many people know but Ferguson designed or at least helped to design the dugouts at Old Trafford, because the one's when he got there didnt allow him to see the other side of the pitch, I know its not major input in to a whole stadium but they are involved in little things.

I dont think it should be included in the game though, especially when new stadiums are quite rare on the game.

Just because a feature isn't realistically what a manager does shouldn't prevent it from being added. As said many times before it's perfectly plain to see that some of FM's best features, ie negotiating with other clubs and players, is not something that a typical manager gets involved with. If it's fun, it should be in the game, and it should be optional.

Which is what has happened with a whole range of things with each incarnation of FM.

Then they should play FIFA Manager, where it's more about gimmicks than managing a team.

"more and more people making valid complaints and being told to try a different game or head to the tactics forum."

Once again my point is proven. I actually do play fifa manager and FM could adapt some of its "gimmicks" to make a better game. Its not all about stadium design its about this great SI fanbase that apparently consists of those with the most posts automatically being "right" when it comes to new features.

Right Ben... name me one manager that has designed their team's stadium.

When/if you can come up with one, you then have a slight grounding to argue that stadium design should be included in FM.

If by some miracle you can come up with a dozen or so, then you have a point.

I once built a football stadium for Sims 2... which is rather sad and in the end proved a bit pointless, wasn't as if I could put a football team in there

The idea is feasable in the long-term, but with such a huge game, I'm sure it's very difficult to implement successfully and to work well with current PC´s - think processing, graphics cards, etc... on your average PC users machine.

and what about those that do want to design stadiums. Just cos the option is there doesn't mean you have to use it. What if for FM10 SI took away the ability to negotiate any deals and all you were able to do was declare your targets...very realistic but not fun at all.

All i am saying is that clearly some people want the feature and clearly some people don't, so why can't a compromise be reached and the OPTION be included. That way those who want it have it and those that don't can ignore it. However the overall gameplay should come first, but something like a stadium designer should never be dismissed immediately.

The thing is adding an option is not a simple thing. And if you add an option for this then somebody will want an option for something else and so on. The more options the bigger chance of more bugs which will lead to more complaints and moans.

I personally don't like it for reasons already mentioned .

Right Ben... name me one manager that has designed their team's stadium.

When/if you can come up with one, you then have a slight grounding to argue that stadium design should be included in FM.

If by some miracle you can come up with a dozen or so, then you have a point.

Thats not the point...i understand that this is a simulation game but the emphasis has to go on GAME as in fun. I never said that any manager had any input on stadium design.

My main point was how nearly every idea that comes on this board is dismissed because "X manager would never be able to do that" Sim City is a simulation game but it also has things like alien invasions etc...because they realise that a game has to be fun. I've seen many successful game developers go under because they failed to respond to minority that eventually turned into a majority.

You name me a game that is absolutely and realistically representative of its material...

Thats not the point...i understand that this is a simulation game but the emphasis has to go on GAME as in fun. I never said that any manager had any input on stadium design.

My main point was how nearly every idea that comes on this board is dismissed because "X manager would never be able to do that" Sim City is a simulation game but it also has things like alien invasions etc...because they realise that a game has to be fun. I've seen many successful game developers go under because they failed to respond to minority that eventually turned into a majority.

You name me a game that is absolutely and realistically representative of its material...

The idea of this game is a simulation which means it tries to reflect the "fun" and exciting parts of football management but stadium design is not part of football management so that is why I don't think it should be in the game.

I prefer SI to focus on improving the ME, the training system, tactical interface, press conferences and things like that rather than introducing things like this.

I prefer SI to focus on improving the ME, the training system, tactical interface, press conferences and things like that rather than introducing things like this.

As do I, however as the years have gone by i think the match engine has got weaker and that 09's is only a minor improvement over the horrible 08's ME.

I've lost confidence in the ability of SI to make a good game, admittedly i will try the demo for fm10 but it is likely that i will do the same next time and pick up FM for £17 when it ends up in the bargain bin.