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pnefc22
22-05-2009, 15:49
You're welcome to make edits on the wiki as long as you don't spam in future.

Has he spammed before?

ahmufcwafc
22-05-2009, 15:51
Has he spammed before?
Look at the recent changes page and you'll know what I'm talking about.

ssestig
23-05-2009, 18:55
When we have enough players, should we separate the players into club groups depending on where they have played in their careers eg. Crewe to find the players easier?

arsenal_2111
23-05-2009, 19:14
Not imo, that would be A LOT of work and wouldn't make it much easier imo - its in alphabetical order anyway.

Regarding the Scott Sinclair page, I've put a little bit on about the Chelsea one so it is clear why there was a new page made.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 19:18
I'd like to have sub-categories for the player profiles.

arsenal_2111
23-05-2009, 19:21
But having a page per club would take AGES surely?

pnefc22
23-05-2009, 19:25
I would prefer a page per club, as it would look neater. It don't think it would take as long as you would think.

We could also split that page into Current Players and Past Players.

So, for example, Robinho would be in the current players section for Man City but in the past players section for Real Madrid.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 19:26
I don't think we'll have enough pages to have one per club in ages - Sorting them by nationality would be a start.

pnefc22
23-05-2009, 19:29
Look at the recent changes page and you'll know what I'm talking about.

I looked at it yesterday and saw what he did. And, to be fair, judging from his contribution to this forum, I wouldn't really want him to do anything on the wiki.

Lets hope he can prove me wrong :D

pnefc22
23-05-2009, 19:32
I don't think we'll have enough pages to have one per club in ages - Sorting them by nationality would be a start.

No, I don't think that we would yet so, sorting by nationality could be a start.

Although, judging by the speed that they are going up, we may need it in clubs quite soon.

Another idea that we could do is sort them by clubs but focus on getting all the Premiership, Seria A and La Liga players done first so, that we have the three 'biggest' leagues in the world's players done.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 19:36
No, I don't think that we would yet so, sorting by nationality could be a start.

Although, judging by the speed that they are going up, we may need it in clubs quite soon.

Another idea that we could do is sort them by clubs but focus on getting all the Premiership, Seria A and La Liga players done first so, that we have the three 'biggest' leagues in the world's players done.
I think stig already has a system whereby he adds people going by DOB (eg Today he adds a page on Hippity Hoppity because it's his birthday). That's probably the easiest way tbf.

ssestig
23-05-2009, 19:43
I did do that but i'm just adding players from certain clubs atm. I'll go back to the DOB system if that would be better.

pnefc22
23-05-2009, 19:46
I never knew that was how he added players :D

Interesting system.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 19:49
Any way suits me. To be fair I'm in no position to comment because I never really contribute to the player profiles.

ssestig
23-05-2009, 20:06
I never knew that was how he added players :D

Interesting system.

Did that for a couple of weeks so that may be why you didn't notice.

jld123
23-05-2009, 20:12
I'm not really too familiar with the Wiki, but it seems like there's no LLM page on it. Is there a place for this, should I add one? Or try to get a more experienced LLMer to add one?

pnefc22
23-05-2009, 20:14
I'm not really too familiar with the Wiki, but it seems like there's no LLM page on it. Is there a place for this, should I add one? Or try to get a more experienced LLMer to add one?

I actually thought about adding an LLM page earlier today.

You can do one if you would like to :thup:

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 20:19
I'm not really too familiar with the Wiki, but it seems like there's no LLM page on it. Is there a place for this, should I add one? Or try to get a more experienced LLMer to add one?
Yeah, by all means go ahead :thup:

jld123
23-05-2009, 20:19
Will do :)

rancer890
23-05-2009, 21:08
Sorry for no participating at all on the wiki for the past few months, but can the creators of the small club to big club challenges start making articles on the wiki?

jld123
23-05-2009, 21:10
Just for clarification, I've started writing an "LLM" article. This is purely based on the LLM Forum on these boards. Is that wrong? Well, not so much wrong, but in your opinion should it still have the title LLM? I ask this because most people seem to regard LLM as managing in a lower division, but according to the LLM board, it isn't.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 21:10
Sorry for no participating at all on the wiki for the past few months, but can the creators of the small club to big club challenges start making articles on the wiki?
Yes, for sure. I've already contacted NepentheZ on using some stuff on Wallace vs Roberts and Neppo's youth project, just haven't got around to writing anything up yet.

Just for clarification, I've started writing an "LLM" article. This is purely based on the LLM Forum on these boards. Is that wrong? Well, not so much wrong, but in your opinion should it still have the title LLM? I ask this because most people seem to regard LLM as managing in a lower division, but according to the LLM board, it isn't.
I don't see any problem with it - just make sure to distinguish between the LLM forum ethos and 'regular' LLM.

arsenal_2111
23-05-2009, 21:13
Just for clarification, I've started writing an "LLM" article. This is purely based on the LLM Forum on these boards. Is that wrong? Well, not so much wrong, but in your opinion should it still have the title LLM? I ask this because most people seem to regard LLM as managing in a lower division, but according to the LLM board, it isn't.

Maybe do a LLM page that has links to

LLM - Real Management
and
LLM - Lower League Management

?

Like the Scott Sinclair index thing I made earlier.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 21:27
Maybe do a LLM page that has links to

LLM - Real Management
and
LLM - Lower League Management

?

Like the Scott Sinclair index thing I made earlier.
I think it would be better if there was just the one page which distinguishes the differences between the two.

jld123
23-05-2009, 21:30
There may be a problem with that, I don't really know what 'regular' LLM is.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 21:37
There may be a problem with that, I don't really know what 'regular' LLM is.
Well then just write it up from the LLaMa's point of view. It doesn't really matter.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 21:45
Did you ask Iajafer for permission?

jld123
23-05-2009, 21:48
No... gulp.

ahmufcwafc
23-05-2009, 21:50
Probably best you ask him can we use his stuff (assuming that you took it from a previous thread in LLM). If he doesn't want this info on the wiki well then so be it, not much we can do about it.

arsenal_2111
23-05-2009, 22:30
I've made a 'Premier League' page, with links to the English, Scottish, Russian and Ukranian Premier Leagues. Does it look alright?

ssestig
23-05-2009, 23:44
Looks good mate.

JJay
24-05-2009, 18:45
I've added a rename user tool for Admin so that you have something in place now should idiots join up with stupid names again :)

ahmufcwafc
24-05-2009, 19:11
Cool, thanks JJay :thup:

ssestig
26-05-2009, 21:51
Done pages for various players, uploaded the other screenies from the 'request a screenie' thread in gptg and added club profiles for Fluminese and both Milan clubs.

All of the screenies i've uploaded have no accents, circumflexes etc. and have no capitals in the name of the files.

pnefc22
26-05-2009, 22:07
Good work! :thup:

Keep it up!

Spleen!
27-05-2009, 09:56
692 articles now, good work guys.

BenArsenal
27-05-2009, 10:03
I'd like to ask, does the "Selected Article" change? Because it has been MLS for a while now.

Also, you could make the bold print at the start of the selected article link to the actual article itself.

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 14:49
I'd like to ask, does the "Selected Article" change? Because it has been MLS for a while now.

Also, you could make the bold print at the start of the selected article link to the actual article itself.
I was waiting for someone to bring that up, I noticed ages ago.

Get out ;)

arsenal_2111
27-05-2009, 14:55
I think we can change it outselves, by editing this page of the main page;


<!-- SELECTED ARTICLE -->
| class="MainPageBG" style="width:50%; border:1px solid #cedff2; background:#f5faff; vertical-align:top;"|
{| id="mp-right" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="width:100%; vertical-align:top; background:#f5faff;"
! <h2 id="mp-itn-h2" style="margin:0; background:#cedff2; font-size:120%; font-weight:bold; border:1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:left; color:#000; padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Selected Article</h2>
|-
| style="color:#000;" | <div id="mp-itn">[[Image:MajorLeagueSoccer.png | right | Major League Soccer|150px]]

'''Major League Soccer (MLS)''' is the top flight professional soccer league in the [[America|United States]] and [[Canada]]. There are currently 14 teams in the MLS, 13 from the [[America|U.S.]] and 1 from [[Canada]], in [[Football Manager 2009]] (Currently, there are 15 teams, with the addition of Seattle Sounders FC. However, this team is unplayable in [[Football Manager 2009]]). The MLS season runs from April to November, and the season lasts for 30 games. After the season, the MLS Cup Playoffs commence, ending with the MLS Cup at a neutral venue to determine the MLS Champion. '''([[Major League Soccer|more...]])'''</div>

It would be do able to edit it - shall I give it a go? If it doesn't work I'll just undo the edit.

So, for skins, it would be;


<!-- SELECTED ARTICLE -->
| class="MainPageBG" style="width:50%; border:1px solid #cedff2; background:#f5faff; vertical-align:top;"|
{| id="mp-right" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="width:100%; vertical-align:top; background:#f5faff;"
! <h2 id="mp-itn-h2" style="margin:0; background:#cedff2; font-size:120%; font-weight:bold; border:1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:left; color:#000; padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Selected Article</h2>
|-
| style="color:#000;" | <div id="mp-itn">[[Image:Kwon jae-hyun.jpg|180px|thumb|right|steklo09 skin]]

A '''skin''' changes the layout & general look & feel of your Football Manager game. Skins can change the colour and layout of things like the buttons, menus, panels and text. Changing the layout of a skin is one of the most challenging things to do with Football Manager. It involves editing lots of files, mostly those in the panels or graphics folders in the skin folder.'''([[Skins|more...]])'''</div>

I think.

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 15:04
Yeah, that's how you do it.

Spleen!
27-05-2009, 15:05
I'm intending to write some more competition/league guides at some point, do you think they would be better like this (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=France_-_Ligue_1_Orange) or this (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Argentina)?

The 1st one is for an invididual league and is shorter, but contains all the required FM info, as well as a brief history of the league and the teams in it this season. The 2nd is for both leagues in the country, doesn't contain any history and doesn't list the teams. I don't think any of the ones from FM-Britain list the teams, shall I add them in?

Any other details anyone can think of that I should include?

arsenal_2111
27-05-2009, 15:08
Yeah, that's how you do it.

Alright then, does anyone in particular want to do it?


I'm intending to write some more competition/league guides at some point, do you think they would be better like this (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=France_-_Ligue_1_Orange) or this (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Argentina)?

The 1st one is for an invididual league and is shorter, but contains all the required FM info, as well as a brief history of the league and the teams in it this season. The 2nd is for both leagues in the country, doesn't contain any history and doesn't list the teams. I don't think any of the ones from FM-Britain list the teams, shall I add them in?

Any other details anyone can think of that I should include?

I prefer the one on Ligue 1, I don't think all the history etc is necessary for a FM Wiki. Maybe add in a brief history, but personally I think having shorter pieces of text that it is easy to distinguish between is best.

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 15:14
No point on changing the selected article unless we can agree on what to change it to.

I prefer the Ligue 1 page JSalter.

Spleen!
27-05-2009, 15:19
I prefer the one on Ligue 1, I don't think all the history etc is necessary for a FM Wiki. Maybe add in a brief history, but personally I think having shorter pieces of text that it is easy to distinguish between is best.


I prefer the Ligue 1 page JSalter.

Good, that's the one I wrote :) As for the history, I could put a brief paragraph in the introduction and get rid of the list of who's won it, that would probably be best.

arsenal_2111
27-05-2009, 15:20
Personally I think that, after having a league for so long, we should go for a more informative page rather than a player, non player, team or league page.

I suggest either;

Tactics
Training
Skins or
Youth Development (with the intro slightly reworded to make it more, introducing.)

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 17:18
Personally I think that, after having a league for so long, we should go for a more informative page rather than a player, non player, team or league page.

I suggest either;

Tactics
Training
Skins or
Youth Development (with the intro slightly reworded to make it more, introducing.)
Some of those pages are a bit short, are they not? I mean the skins page is still a stub!

arsenal_2111
27-05-2009, 17:23
Some of those pages are a bit short, are they not? I mean the skins page is still a stub!

To be fair the skins page is only a stub while I wait for replies from others I've asked for permission to use their skins - unless you don't think it has enough content to get rid of that tag?

I guess they are too short, but there aren't actually too many that are long articles.

You got any suggestions as to what could be used?

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 17:31
To be fair the skins page is only a stub while I wait for replies from others I've asked for permission to use their skins - unless you don't think it has enough content to get rid of that tag?

I guess they are too short, but there aren't actually too many that are long articles.

You got any suggestions as to what could be used?
Youth development or skins could be used, not sure about the other two - the need a bit of touching up first imo.

I'll nominate my tips on making the game run faster well... because my ego is huge. I'll go with whatever you guys recommend, not all that bothered about it myself tbh.

arsenal_2111
27-05-2009, 18:00
Yeah, that would be a good one. May need to bulk out the intro a bit though, to make it fit the page. That, or list a couple of ways without explaining.

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 18:04
Yeah, that would be a good one. May need to bulk out the intro a bit though, to make it fit the page. That, or list a couple of ways without explaining.
Very true, I'll bulk it up a bit over the weekend. Don't have much time on my hands at the moment.

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 21:25
Any suggestions as to what should be made the featured article?

SCIAG
27-05-2009, 21:34
Hippity Hoppity's page.

arsenal_2111
27-05-2009, 21:38
I don't think there is anyone who would disagree with that tbh.

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 21:42
Hippity Hoppity's page.
The CAMRAD one would be better.

arsenal_2111
27-05-2009, 21:58
Alternatively, we could start a CAMTGROG page and use that?

pnefc22
27-05-2009, 22:01
I'll nominate my tips on making the game run faster well... because my ego is huge. I'll go with whatever you guys recommend, not all that bothered about it myself tbh.

I will have you know that I did a section of that as well :D

peter-evo
27-05-2009, 22:04
Alternatively, we could start a CAMTGROG page and use that?
I've had it reversed I'll have you know :D.

ahmufcwafc
27-05-2009, 22:09
I will have you know that I did a section of that as well :D

Fine, both of our egos are huge. Happy now? ;)

pnefc22
27-05-2009, 22:24
Fine, both of our egos are huge. Happy now? ;)

Yes I am but my ego is still bigger than yours :p

ahmufcwafc
28-05-2009, 15:49
What on earth were you trying to do with your profile page Jammy?

Spleen!
28-05-2009, 15:52
I was wondering that, whatever he tried clearly didn't work.

SCIAG
28-05-2009, 15:55
I think there should be a CAMTGROG page regardless, purely because of a) the way it rolls off your tongue and b) how funny it was.

arsenal_2111
28-05-2009, 22:26
Was trying to put on a cool picture, but it didn't work *sniffle*

And I agree about CAMTGROG.

ahmufcwafc
29-05-2009, 20:14
What do you guys think of having individual pages on popular CSE forum projects like Wallace vs Roberts and Neppo's Youth Project? I asked Nep for permission to use some of his posts but I'm still undecided as to whether we should have them on the wiki or not. Just looking for some opinions.

I'll have plenty of time to work on the wiki now - I'm sure I'll get around to writing up a fair few articles when I feel up to it. 3 months off now :cool:

pnefc22
29-05-2009, 20:16
What do you guys think of having individual pages on popular CSE forum projects like Wallace vs Roberts and Neppo's Youth Project? I asked Nep for permission to use some of his posts but I'm still undecided as to whether we should have them on the wiki or not. Just looking for some opinions.

I'll have plenty of time to work on the wiki now - I'm sure I'll get around to writing up a fair few articles when I feel up to it. 3 months off now :cool:

I think that it is a good idea but it would have to go into Miscellaneous wouldn't it?

Spleen!
29-05-2009, 20:17
I wouldn't mind, I don't really have an opinion either way though tbh.

Lucky you! I get 3 and a half months off after June 18th :)

arsenal_2111
29-05-2009, 20:19
What do you guys think of having individual pages on popular CSE forum projects like Wallace vs Roberts and Neppo's Youth Project? I asked Nep for permission to use some of his posts but I'm still undecided as to whether we should have them on the wiki or not. Just looking for some opinions.

I'll have plenty of time to work on the wiki now - I'm sure I'll get around to writing up a fair few articles when I feel up to it. 3 months off now :cool:

So that's 4 hours a day for the next three months yes? ;)

I reckon you may as well put them on, they are FM related and can be a good read. Would also offer help to others.

ahmufcwafc
29-05-2009, 20:24
So that's 4 hours a day for the next three months yes? ;)
....Says the man with almost 10,000 posts on an internet forum ;)





(My count is irrelevant as long as I have less than you)

arsenal_2111
29-05-2009, 20:29
Right, I'm on post count. Do you reckon any mods would half mine for me? ;D

ahmufcwafc
29-05-2009, 20:33
Right, I'm on post count. Do you reckon any mods would half mine for me? ;D

Is it even possible to smile with your mouth open wide and wink at the same time?

On the subject of post count - I'll report that post now just to make sure a mod sees it.

arsenal_2111
29-05-2009, 20:36
Is it even possible to smile with your mouth open wide and wink at the same time?

Yes, it is. Try it now (I just did - parents gave me a bloody weird look :D)


On the subject of post count - I'll report that post now just to make sure a mod sees it.

Cheers mate - you always do the kindest things ;D (<--- :D)

ahmufcwafc
29-05-2009, 20:45
I wouldn't mind, I don't really have an opinion either way though tbh.

Lucky you! I get 3 and a half months off after June 18th :)
Going to college then I guess? Here in Ireland all students get 3 months off :cool:

I think that it is a good idea but it would have to go into Miscellaneous wouldn't it?
Yeah, I guess so.


Yes, it is. Try it now (I just did - parents gave me a bloody weird look )



Cheers mate - you always do the kindest things ;D (<--- :D)
I meant without making yourself look the complete spanner :p


I'll put up something on Neppo's Youth Project later tonight. I'm asking Gundo for permission to have a page on his challenge seeing that our *official* representative is missing.

Spleen!
29-05-2009, 20:47
Going to college then I guess? Here in Ireland all students get 3 months off :cool:

Yeah, off to uni in October. Well, assuming I get the grades.

arsenal_2111
29-05-2009, 20:48
I think I looked quite pretty :cool:

Yeah, that 'representative'. Doing an awful job :'( ;)

Re-election time anyone?

Good luck with your exams JSalter - what are you taking atm? My sisters looking to do Business at Bristol uni, she's so nervous about it!

ahmufcwafc
29-05-2009, 21:28
I've sent a few PMs to CSE challenge makers.

Rob - You're a regular in CSE, aren't you? Could you list a few popular projects in that forum for me? So far I've got:


Wallace vs Roberts
Neppo's Youth Project
Dafuge's Challenge
Gundo's Challenge
Rancer's Challenge
JoseRR's Challenge
Razer82's Challenge

peter-evo
29-05-2009, 21:29
Do one guys. I am working :D

arsenal_2111
29-05-2009, 21:32
I've sent a few PMs to CSE challenge makers.

Rob - You're a regular in CSE, aren't you? Could you list a few popular projects in that forum for me? So far I've got:


Wallace vs Roberts
Neppo's Youth Project
Dafuge's Challenge
Gundo's Challenge
Rancer's Challenge
JoseRR's Challenge
Razer82's Challenge


Could you make a sub category for challenges? You could also put the SI forums challenges on?

ahmufcwafc
29-05-2009, 21:49
Could you make a sub category for challenges? You could also put the SI forums challenges on?
I could yeah. So far I've got permission from NepentheZ, JoseRR and Rancer.

ssestig
30-05-2009, 00:44
*Shakes head at "Representative" :D*
Can't believe no-one noticed I had added Burnley as a player (Note to self: Use the 'swishy' thing between your ears that you [may] use to think :D :D)

pnefc22
30-05-2009, 06:33
I've sent a few PMs to CSE challenge makers.

Rob - You're a regular in CSE, aren't you? Could you list a few popular projects in that forum for me? So far I've got:


Wallace vs Roberts
Neppo's Youth Project
Dafuge's Challenge
Gundo's Challenge
Rancer's Challenge
JoseRR's Challenge
Razer82's Challenge


You have got most of the big ones. There is also:

The San Marino "Double" Challenge
The 1000 Appearence Challenge
DodgeeD's Ten Year Career Challenge
"To Basque in Glory" - The Athletico Bilbao Challenge

The Athletico Bilbao Challenge only started yesterday but looks interesting and apparently, is around most years with a different user running it each time.

I will do the two bolded articles, if you don't mind.

ahmufcwafc
30-05-2009, 14:36
You have got most of the big ones. There is also:

The San Marino "Double" Challenge
The 1000 Appearence Challenge
DodgeeD's Ten Year Career Challenge
"To Basque in Glory" - The Athletico Bilbao Challenge

The Athletico Bilbao Challenge only started yesterday but looks interesting and apparently, is around most years with a different user running it each time.

I will do the two bolded articles, if you don't mind.
Okay, cheers Rob. Gundo has given me permission to write something up on his challenge, in case you're interested in doing that too.

ahmufcwafc
31-05-2009, 12:33
Just a few useless facts to share with you that I found while messing around with some controls.

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Our Competition: Wiki 1 (http://footballmanager.wikia.com/wiki/Football_Manager_2009) Wiki 2 (http://footballmanager.neoseeker.com/wiki/Football_Manager_2009)
I'd like to think that we're at very least on par with those two sites at this stage.

Oh, and if you type "FM Wiki" into google it comes up as the fifth/sixth result - but if you type in "Football Manager Wiki" it's nowhere to be seen. That gives me the idea that it might be in our best interests to change the official name of the site to "Football Manager Wiki". Does anyone know if this would help us go up the page on the google searches?

DodgeeD has given me permission to do a page on his challenge, and he'll be helping me out a bit on the page. Hopefully I'll be able to get some other challenge makers to add a bit more background info to their challenge pages. Also, a challenges sub-category has been set up as suggested earlier.

Spleen!
31-05-2009, 13:49
Looking at those other 2 sites, I agree, we're at least on a par with them. We've got a lot more articles as well. Although quantity doesn't necessarily mean quality, most of our pages are fairly good :cool:

pnefc22
31-05-2009, 13:57
Looking at both of those sites, we are a lot better than site 1 and site 2 we are better than but we should include what they do on player profiles.

A strengths and weaknesses section etc.

Pretty much what I posted in the discussion page on the wiki for player profiles.

rancer890
31-05-2009, 15:33
My page is the selected article, yet only 15th on most popular pages. :(

And the things you put about my challenge ahmufcwafc are good, although I'll make more changes (no I won't delete the stuff you wrote :p) when I have the time after exams. :thup:

ahmufcwafc
31-05-2009, 15:35
My page is the selected article, yet only 15th on most popular pages. :(

And the things you put about my challenge ahmufcwafc are good, although I'll make more changes (no I won't delete the stuff you wrote :p) when I have the time after exams. :thup:
Do whatever you want to it, I don't care if you get rid of parts.

arsenal_2111
31-05-2009, 16:21
Just a few useless facts to share with you that I found while messing around with some controls.
Our Competition: Wiki 1 (http://footballmanager.wikia.com/wiki/Football_Manager_2009) Wiki 2 (http://footballmanager.neoseeker.com/wiki/Football_Manager_2009)
I'd like to think that we're at very least on par with those two sites at this stage.

Oh, and if you type "FM Wiki" into google it comes up as the fifth/sixth result - but if you type in "Football Manager Wiki" it's nowhere to be seen. That gives me the idea that it might be in our best interests to change the official name of the site to "Football Manager Wiki". Does anyone know if this would help us go up the page on the google searches?

DodgeeD has given me permission to do a page on his challenge, and he'll be helping me out a bit on the page. Hopefully I'll be able to get some other challenge makers to add a bit more background info to their challenge pages. Also, a challenges sub-category has been set up as suggested earlier.

Could we maybe get a forum like the second one have? Would add something to it, even if it was rarely used.

ahmufcwafc
31-05-2009, 16:27
Could we maybe get a forum like the second one have? Would add something to it, even if it was rarely used.
As far as I know wiki software doesn't include the option to make a forum on the main wiki site*. We might as well just put up a link to our private forum, obviously making it public first.

*That's a neoseeker wiki you see - and neoseeker do forum software as well as wiki software.

arsenal_2111
31-05-2009, 16:29
As far as I know wiki software doesn't include the option to make a forum on the main wiki site*. We might as well just put up a link to our private forum, obviously making it public first.

*That's a neoseeker wiki you see - and neoseeker do forum software as well as wiki software.

Yeah, it doesn't have anything on it that we wouldn't want people to see.

I'd do that - set up sub forums (e.g. wiki help, developing articles, discussion). No need for off topic stuff, it won't get used enough.

ahmufcwafc
31-05-2009, 17:50
http://fmwiki.boardzero.com/forum.html

The layout's been changed, new sections created and there was a small thread purge. It's now open to guests.

pnefc22
31-05-2009, 18:35
fwiw, I thought that the forum and wiki together on the wiki 2 looked unprofessional.

ahmufcwafc
31-05-2009, 21:26
fwiw, I thought that the forum and wiki together on the wiki 2 looked unprofessional.
Surely it wouldn't hurt replacing the empty "Community Portal" with a link to the forum, no?

Just a few thoughts:
1. As above, delete the community portal sidebar and replace it with a link to the forum.
2. What about a featured content page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Featured_content) I think it'd be a good way of promoting our best pages.
3. Delete the privacy policy and disclaimer links on the main page. They don't have any content and are utterly useless imho.
4. Do you think we should have some competitions? When signing us up as an official affiliate, Joe from SEGA told me that one of the benefits was that we'd be eligible to get some merchandise to raffle off. Looking at posts in the affiliates forum, they have some pretty cool stuff - free copies of FM09 are the most valuable prizes we can get in. I realise it's not very wiki-like to run competitions, but it might generate some interest if we ran a competition every quarter or half of a year.

Thoughts? Any other ideas on the layout of the main page would be welcome.

ahmufcwafc
01-06-2009, 16:32
Anyone else having trouble accessing the site? It times out every time I try to load up the page.

arsenal_2111
01-06-2009, 16:41
Surely it wouldn't hurt replacing the empty "Community Portal" with a link to the forum, no?

Just a few thoughts:
1. As above, delete the community portal sidebar and replace it with a link to the forum.
2. What about a featured content page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Featured_content) I think it'd be a good way of promoting our best pages.
3. Delete the privacy policy and disclaimer links on the main page. They don't have any content and are utterly useless imho.
4. Do you think we should have some competitions? When signing us up as an official affiliate, Joe from SEGA told me that one of the benefits was that we'd be eligible to get some merchandise to raffle off. Looking at posts in the affiliates forum, they have some pretty cool stuff - free copies of FM09 are the most valuable prizes we can get in. I realise it's not very wiki-like to run competitions, but it might generate some interest if we ran a competition every quarter or half of a year.

Thoughts? Any other ideas on the layout of the main page would be welcome.

1. May as well, having links that don't work look very messy imo. Links should only be used when they link somewhere.
2. Yeah, I like that idea. Would have to extend some articles a lot to make them suitable though.
3. Haven't seen them, can't access the site atm. I'm sure it'll work again soon.
4. I like this idea - even if we only got a few entries it would be worth it. What other prizes are there, bar the game? I don't have access to the affiliates forum :( I reckon do one, make it last three months and if it goes well do another one. It'd also give us an idea of how many people actually use the wiki.

How would people enter the competition? The hotmail would work fine, but I reckon we need an fmwiki@sigames.com address tbh ;)

ahmufcwafc
01-06-2009, 16:52
Yeah, I like that idea. Would have to extend some articles a lot to make them suitable though.
Surely we have enough decent articles as it is to fill a page?

I like this idea - even if we only got a few entries it would be worth it. What other prizes are there, bar the game? I don't have access to the affiliates forum :( I reckon do one, make it last three months and if it goes well do another one. It'd also give us an idea of how many people actually use the wiki.

How would people enter the competition? The hotmail would work fine, but I reckon we need an fmwiki@sigames.com address tbh ;)
Completely agree. I'll try to sort out something regarding an email domain soon.

A mug, pack of cards and a t-shirt were the prizes iirc.

arsenal_2111
01-06-2009, 16:53
I've found a place where we can get @fmwiki.co.uk email adresses free - shall I try it?

If yes, what shall I put as the alternate email adress? The hotmail one? If so, what was it again? :D

ahmufcwafc
01-06-2009, 16:58
I've found a place where we can get @fmwiki.co.uk email adresses free - shall I try it?

If yes, what shall I put as the alternate email adress? The hotmail one? If so, what was it again? :D
Fantastic, lets use that. I spent ages looking for one a while back, but found nothing :rolleyes:

fmwiki@live.co.uk

arsenal_2111
01-06-2009, 17:10
Damn, you have to be American/Canadian to use it, which is a bit of a pain. Was this;

http://domains.aol.com/personaldomain/app/byodRegistration

:(

I'll have a look for another one.

ahmufcwafc
01-06-2009, 17:14
That's the only one I could find weeks ago.

arsenal_2111
01-06-2009, 17:17
Could Rancer maybe do it? I think he's Canadian.

Alternatively we could just make up the information :p

Spleen!
01-06-2009, 17:32
Could Rancer maybe do it? I think he's Canadian.

Alternatively we could just make up the information :p

Yeah he is, he could do it.

arsenal_2111
01-06-2009, 17:43
Understandable if he doesn't want to give his info for it tho. But that would be very good if he could, would look great.

ahmufcwafc
01-06-2009, 17:44
I'll ask JJay would he be able to sort it out for us first. That might be the easiest way to go.

joshmay07
01-06-2009, 20:20
how come i cant get o fmwiki i really need it =[

arsenal_2111
01-06-2009, 20:22
It appears to be down at the moment, hopefully it will be sorted soon. What is it you need it for? One of us may be able to help you :)

ahmufcwafc
01-06-2009, 20:24
I let our webmaster JJay know in my weekly "Annoy JJay with new suggestions for the site" PM. Hopefully he can sort it out :)

joshmay07
01-06-2009, 20:26
thanks for the reply arsenal but i recently finished my man utd game got bored after 15 seasons tbh lol and wanna start another game, im not the best manager round here far from it so i want someoe that is a challenge but a do able challenge and in the prem tbh. i wanted to look at all the bedgets lol guess ill have to wait =[

ahmufcwafc
01-06-2009, 20:32
Hopefully it'll be back up later tonight Josh, but it all depends on whether JJay comes back online. I know he's living in a different timezone so it mightn't be back up soon - not sure really.

On a side note, I never even knew that we had a list of transfer budgets. That's pretty cool.

joshmay07
01-06-2009, 20:36
yeah lol with like most of teams it tells you what budgets you can get with teams cause kind people have spent there time doing it =]

ahmufcwafc
02-06-2009, 19:20
Just an update - I was speaking to JJay earlier today and he says he has contacted the guy that's in charge of the server, so it should be back up the next time he comes online. I've no idea when that'll be though.

docklanders
03-06-2009, 14:48
just noticed i cant get on the site, hope it gets sorted soon :thdn:

ahmufcwafc
03-06-2009, 15:27
JJay's contacted the guy that made a mess of the site in the first place. Once he comes back online, it should be back up ;)

Some edits will be made to the main page as well.

arsenal_2111
03-06-2009, 16:06
:eek:

We can't edit the main page! It's been like that for too long to change it now- I'm used to it:(

What changes?

ahmufcwafc
03-06-2009, 16:22
Relax, we're just changing around the links in the sidebar :D

arsenal_2111
03-06-2009, 16:54
*wipes sweat from forehead*

ssestig
03-06-2009, 19:53
Any ideas on how long it will take Alan?

ahmufcwafc
03-06-2009, 20:09
Any ideas on how long it will take Alan?
None. I've been pestering JJay for the last day or so but he can't fix it. We have to wait for some guy to come online so he can fix it. Problem is that I don't have a clue when he's coming online. :(

ssestig
03-06-2009, 23:48
Not good :thdn:

ahmufcwafc
03-06-2009, 23:51
Bloody hell, didn't expect it to be this long.

ssestig
03-06-2009, 23:54
Just following each other around here now :D
Want to add more info on some other teams in Leagues 1 and 2.

JJay
04-06-2009, 16:32
Ok guys,

Sorry about the delay but it's taken me a couple of days to track down Chris who I needed to speak to.

Good news is that nothing has been lost as it has all been backed up - but Chris accidently deleted the folder containing the wiki files (which does not effect any of the database).

I am in the process of moving that on to a server of its own now as it has grown so quickly

With regards to footballmanagerwiki.co.uk email addresses, do you want a redirect email or a POP3 email address? The difference being that the redirect emails allow people to email it and that email goes to your normal email address - you can use these for MSN too. A POP3 inbox stores mails on the server and you can access these by a webmail portal or Outlook.

I would prefer to give out redirect email addresses and that can be done easily :) If you want one then PM the name you want and I'll sort that out :)

Sorry again about the unexpected downtime - it should be up again in the next 24 hours or so :)

ahmufcwafc
04-06-2009, 16:34
Thanks for the update JJay, glad it'll be back up soon. I'd prefer a redirect email address anyway. PM sent. :)

peter-evo
04-06-2009, 17:27
Cheers JJay, thank you a lot for helping us out.

ahmufcwafc
05-06-2009, 16:14
Any idea when it might be back up JJay?

JJay
05-06-2009, 17:34
Just waiting for the DNS to change

And I'm 75% done all the data uploads as I type :)

arsenal_2111
05-06-2009, 17:40
I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds good :D

JJay
05-06-2009, 17:51
Basically waiting for the url (link www. thingy) to update to point to the new server.

I'm uploading all your work on to the new server where nobody can delete it "by accident":)

JJay
05-06-2009, 17:51
Double post :(

Main thing though is nothing has been "lost" :)

arsenal_2111
05-06-2009, 17:55
Not even peter-evo's login? :( ;)

bluemoon1992
05-06-2009, 17:57
what is the point of the wiki page like what gain a user gain from it?

arsenal_2111
05-06-2009, 18:00
Ever used Wikipedia?

bluemoon1992
05-06-2009, 18:01
yes but like what could u gain all the facts are in the game

arsenal_2111
05-06-2009, 18:02
If you seriously think that then I'm afraid you're a lost cause.

bluemoon1992
05-06-2009, 18:03
ok my best friend

ahmufcwafc
05-06-2009, 18:14
what gain a user gain from it?
Nothing, nothing at all. I take it you think that all of us here are complete lunatics now? ;)

swisso
05-06-2009, 18:21
yes but like what could u gain all the facts are in the game

If someone wants to just dabble in FM a few times a week, then they probably won't need any help from the Wiki. They'll not particularly care about when new youth players are created in France, they'll probably not care about how to keep your club in a healthy financial state and they won't particularly care about how to make the most out of a Commercial Feeder Club.

If however, you're a serious FM gamer, then the Wiki is a very good source of information collated and explained by seasoned FM veterans :D

peter-evo
05-06-2009, 18:22
Oh dear, we've been doing this site for so long, and there is no point.

To answer seriously, because it was good question, the wiki shows a mix between unportrayed facts and community opinion. The facts that you see are either:

- Not in the game or
- Hard to find in the game

The rest is mainly user opinion that people use when playing the game. The community builds up opinions and strategys when playing the game and some of our pages reflect the more popular.

We also have a wide array of things that we think the readers would find interesting. Things like the:

- Challenges
- History
- Issues

, are all things that we believe the readers would be interested to learn about.

ssestig
05-06-2009, 18:22
Me being called a veteran. Not sure whether that's :cool: or makes me feel old :)

JJay
05-06-2009, 20:38
Database has been restored 100%. Mediawiki will be updated to latest version - the only thing that I'm now awaiting is for Chris to forward me the files he deleted so I can upload the old images folder so we get all those back :)

As for email addresses - I've only been asked by Alan for one

arsenal_2111
05-06-2009, 20:40
Database has been restored 100%. Mediawiki will be updated to latest version - the only thing that I'm now awaiting is for Chris to forward me the files he deleted so I can upload the old images folder so we get all those back :)

As for email addresses - I've only been asked by Alan for one

So can we have more than one? Is it only admins who get them?

Good to hear it will be up soon :)

arsenal_2111
06-06-2009, 22:36
Can we have a 'Donate to FMWiki' button like normal Wiki have?

ahmufcwafc
06-06-2009, 22:37
:thup:

All donations to me.

peter-evo
07-06-2009, 09:08
Wouldn't it be best going to JJay who can then ask us what we want to do with it?

ahmufcwafc
07-06-2009, 09:29
But I already know exactly what we want so it makes little difference... ;)

peter-evo
07-06-2009, 09:31
Ah, okay then.

ahmufcwafc
07-06-2009, 20:30
http://seoul.directrouter.com/~footbal2/index.php?title=Main_Page

This is a temporary fix, the full site should be back up tomorrow.

peter-evo
07-06-2009, 20:33
That's cool Alan.

JJay
07-06-2009, 21:00
You will notice that the images won't load - this is because I am awaiting the old images folder which I am expecting tomorrow (and disappointed that I haven't had this soon! Glad we're moving now :))

No need to upload the old images as I will do this as soon as I receive that folder

ahmufcwafc
07-06-2009, 21:02
It's not working for me JJay. :(

JJay
07-06-2009, 21:06
Yeah looks like it was my cache and it was loading locally :( The reason it didn't update within the 24 hours I said last time was because I stupidly put a comma instead of a period in the DNS and the change was rejected. This has been fixed now but at least the temporary url will be of use until tomorrow :)

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 12:25
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/

It's back up now guys, images haven't been uploaded just yet though.

JJay
08-06-2009, 12:27
I'm just doing those now :)

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 12:28
I'm just doing those now :)
Cheers JJay. Any idea why the upload file option has gone missing?

JJay
08-06-2009, 12:32
I'll double check that now :)

JJay
08-06-2009, 13:04
That has now been fixed :)

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 14:01
We're down again. :(

ssestig
08-06-2009, 14:53
Up again :thup: but without pictures :thdn:

ssestig
08-06-2009, 15:02
Any way that we can put the names with the accents etc. back to how they were guys?

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 15:18
I was thinking they looked a little odd yesterday :D

I'll see what I can do.

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 15:26
Done. Let me know if I there's any other dodgy titles. The Hilario page was damaged in the shuffle for some reason,

arsenal_2111
08-06-2009, 17:12
It's good to be back :cool:

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 18:04
Anyone else noticing a whole lot of pages have database errors?

arsenal_2111
08-06-2009, 18:06
Erm... nope. What pages have you seen?

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 18:07
769 (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/%7Efootbal2/index.php?title=Special:Statistics) articles in English

That and the Hilario page so far.

ssestig
08-06-2009, 20:57
From player profiles:
Juan Pablo Sorín
Jérémy Toulalan
Kaká (database error)
Krisztián Németh (database error)
Luka Modric (database error)
Marc-Vivien Foé
Marek Štěch
Mariano Pernía
Martin Skrtel (database error)
Matías Fernández
Milivoje Novakovič
Márton Fulop
Nemanja Vidic (database error)
Oier Olazábal
Owain Fôn Williams
Pedro Rodríguez Ledesma
Petr Cech (database error)
Przemysław Kaźmierczak (database error - can't remember his name)
Péter Gulácsi
Péter Kurucz
Rogério Ceni
Rubén Miño Peralta
Sami Hyypiä
Saulius Mikoliūnas
Sergi Barjuán
Sergio Agüero
Tabare Viudez
Thiago Alcántara
Thomas Müller
Tó Madeira
Víctor Sánchez Mata
Víctor Vázquez Solsona
Zdenek Grygera
Zoltán Gera
Zoltán Harsányi (database error)
Álvaro Arbeloa
Éver Banega

All profiles are OK. It's just the page titles.

ahmufcwafc
08-06-2009, 21:01
Didn't realise there was more than one page of player profiles. I'll sort out the names for you in a bit.

ssestig
08-06-2009, 21:13
Yeah. I've been busy :D No rush mate with them. I'll add a few more tonight.

JJay
09-06-2009, 10:31
I have added back the ParserFunctions extension - its obviously not converted backwards though thus the issue.

The images are being uploaded - but on a 3g internet stick slower than I would like - 90mb of them! I am getting through them and I have this week off work to focus a little more on it (although the mrs is off too and giving me a hard time!)

ssestig
09-06-2009, 15:42
That's good news JJay. Didn't realise there were that many :D

JJay
09-06-2009, 15:51
Nor did I tbh - there's loads and for each one there is a thumbnail image too (often a few different sized thumbnails)

arsenal_2111
09-06-2009, 20:27
I'm adding in some 'Most Wanted' pages to try and lower the amount of dead links - if anyone wants to develop these I'd be v. grateful.

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 20:52
I'm adding in some 'Most Wanted' pages to try and lower the amount of dead links - if anyone wants to develop these I'd be v. grateful.
I've deleted some of the dead links for you. :thup:

Stig, do you think we should have sub-categories for player profiles now? If so, how do you think they should be sorted?

ssestig
09-06-2009, 20:57
Yes I think sub-categories are needed for player profiles now. I think by league would be OK atm.
If you want I can sort that out after you have made the sub-categories.

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 21:15
Just a thought: Perhaps it'd be easier to go by nationality/region instead of leagues? I mean, because of constant transfers we'd have a lot of work to do re-categorising pages.

Or we could always do both I suppose. What do you think?

ssestig
09-06-2009, 21:26
Could categorise by region then by leagues but only update that by patch. Was also thinking of adding player histories for each player via an FM screenshot - any objections?

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 21:29
Could categorise by region then by leagues but only update that by patch. Was also thinking of adding player histories for each player via an FM screenshot - any objections?
Yeah, that's probably the best idea. Do you have many profiles on players playing outside of Europe?

I'll re-name the European players category to Europe now.

All sounds good to me :thup:

ssestig
09-06-2009, 21:30
About 30 I think atm.

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 21:34
About 30 I think atm.
Fair enough.

So, just so I'm not misunderstanding, this is how you want it to be like: Region playing in > Country playing in > League > Team (when we reach the stage where we have enough profiles)

ssestig
09-06-2009, 21:36
Yes that's right. Though I like the system normal wiki has for players regarding those that have played for clubs being in a category but above system is fine for now.

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 21:46
Yes that's right. Though I like the system normal wiki has for players regarding those that have played for clubs being in a category but above system is fine for now.
I'll make categories for clubs that have enough player profiles (lets say five?) shortly.

arsenal_2111
09-06-2009, 22:20
I think we need to avoid having them hidden away.

Player Profiles > Region playing in > Country playing in > League > Team

is a lot of work to get to where you want imo.

But, then again, there are probably no better ways of doing it.

Dreaded Walrus
09-06-2009, 22:52
I hate to sound like a spoilsport, as this is an excellent idea that looks great. But there is one problem. I had a quick look around and it seems that a lot of articles have been copied and pasted from Wikipedia. This in itself is not a problem. Wikipedia licences its content under the GFDL, which does allow people to reuse its content for any purpose. However, it requires attribution. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content for a brief overview of rules for reusing content, and an example notice that can be used to fulfil the licensing requirements.

Not saying that the Wikimedia Foundation is going to sue you into Oblivion if you don't comply with the licensing requirements (they probably won't), but still.

(FWIW, the articles I looked at via random page that were copied from Wikipedia were Carl Pentney (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Carl_Pentney), Gabriel Heinze (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Gabriel_Heinze) (which semi-complies), and Federico Fazio (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Federico_Fazio)).

The best way to go about it would be probably be by creating a template for article creators to add to articles which they use from Wikipedia.

The alternative, I suppose, is to just completely rewrite all WP-copied articles from scratch. This is obviously also the best option if you don't fancy licensing your articles under the same terms as WP's articles (i.e. free for anyone to reuse and/or modify for any purpose).

If you need any help or have questions, feel free to ask, but it should be simple enough.

Again, I don't mean to sound like a spoilsport, as it's a great-looking site.

arsenal_2111
09-06-2009, 22:57
Thanks for the link Dreaded Walrus, it's good to actually know where we stand on this.

I think almost all player profiles are copied from Wikipedia, and I have often said where I stand on this.

We need to make sure we go by the book with this - we wouldn't want the site to be closed down or anything (unlikely, yes, but still possible).

Obviously it has to be a team decision, but I think that if we were considerin rewriting them completely then the best option would be to only write a brief part about them in real life and more about them in FM.

:)

I don't think there are any other articles that have been copied from there have there? Actually, some competition guides maybe?

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 23:06
I don't think there are any other articles that have been copied from there have there? Actually, some competition guides maybe?
Indirectly, so are the club guides taken from here in that some of the info in the original threads on this forum was copy and pasted from wikipedia.

I don't write up the player profiles, nor do I have much knowledge of wikipedia's policy (although I will look into it now) so I can't really comment on this.

What does it take to comply with wikipedia's policy, Dreaded Walrus? Is it just to say that the information was taken from wikipedia, or am I missing something. IIRC some of the profiles already have that, but I'm not certain.

ssestig
09-06-2009, 23:06
Totally agree Jammy and Alan.

Dreaded Walrus - All of the player profiles that I have done (that's most of them) have been either copied or been modified from Wikipedia and whilst a good number have been creditted with recognision that this, that has not been the case with them all so I will make sure that these rules are followed. Thank you for highlighting the potential problem.

ssestig
09-06-2009, 23:12
Would this disclaimer be OK guys? Víctor Vázquez (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=V%C3%ADctor_V%C3%A1zquez_Solsona)

Dreaded Walrus
09-06-2009, 23:17
I don't think there are any other articles that have been copied from there have there? Actually, some competition guides maybe?

I did random page four times. Three of them were players, and the fourth one was Chile (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Chile), which isn't from WP.

A quick look at some competition articles (Premier League (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Barclays_Premier_League) and Championship (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Coca-Cola_Championship)) and they aren't from WP.

To be honest guy, on WP there's actually a procedure to follow for sites which use WP content without following the licensing guidelines, which is mentioned on this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks). Usually what happens is a standard email is sent out to whoever owns the site, informing them about the violation (because most times people are using the content in good faith and just don't realise they aren't meeting the requirements for attribution), and there's a couple of follow up letters and stuff sent out weeks later. I've done a few of these myself. The actual time from first email sent to site getting taken down is an absolute minimum of six weeks, but usually people respond to the first email saying that they didn't realise, and either remove the content or (better) simply link back to Wikipedia and stuff. If you ever needed help with complying, you'd almost certainly be helped with creating an appropriate template or whatever (hell, I'd help you with that stuff if you wanted).

So I wouldn't say there's anything to worry about, and certainly in the short term there's no rush, so there's no need to go blanking content from Wikipedia or anything like that. Just have a discussion to see what you all want to do.

I do agree with you that the best use for an FMWiki would be for focussing on in-game stuff. I see that there's been some screenshots uploaded lately, and the Federico Fazio page had in-game information added by SCIAG, and that's really what people would be going to an FMWiki for in my opinion. Obviously, this has probably already been said, but after a good few months away from this place I hadn't looked through the whole thread. :)

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 23:26
Would you mind making a template for me Walrus? Thought I would've remembered, but in truth I don't have a clue. :o

Dreaded Walrus
09-06-2009, 23:26
Sure! I've created an FMWiki account (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=User:Dreaded_Walrus) now, but I'll provide it here so you guys can all have a talk about it. I'll need to do some test edits to see what works too, but when I've got something written out I'll post it here. :)

Might take me a while though (on the phone right now)

ahmufcwafc
09-06-2009, 23:58
Thanks for that. :) I take it I can use the template on other pages now, yes?

Also, are there any templates or anything similar that you'd recommend us using? Not for licensing agreements, but just to improve the layout of the site.

Dreaded Walrus
10-06-2009, 00:05
Alright guys. As a test, I created this (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=User:Dreaded_Walrus/sandbox). This contains all the stuff that would be needed. A link to the WP article, an acknowledgement of the authors, and a mention that the FMWiki article is also licensed under the same terms. Of course, if you were to go down this road, then you would need to actually want to license your articles under the same terms as WP. In addition, the link to the GFDL in that version links to an externally-hosted copy, whereas your version would need to be hosted on the same server.

I added a variable which allows it to be used both on articles which have the same name on FMWiki and WP (such as Anthony Pilkington (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Anthony_Pilkington) (WP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Pilkington)), and those which have a different title, such as Brad Jones (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Brad_Jones) (WP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Jones_(footballer))).

An example of the template as it would appear on both articles would be here (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Anthony_Pilkington&diff=prev&oldid=6175) for Anthony Pilkington, and here (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Brad_Jones&diff=prev&oldid=6169) for Brad Jones.

Currently, for testing purposes, the template is located at User:Dreaded Walrus/sandbox, but if you decided to go down this route you would probably move the template to, for example, Template:fromwp, then for any article which has the exact same pagename on WP (such as the Anthony Pilkington article from above, all you would need to enter is:

{{fromwp}} (you could even put it at template:fwp or something, to make it even shorter at {{fwp}})

If you use it on an article which has a different pagename on WP (such as Brad Jones, which is "Brad Jones (footballer)" on WP), then all you would need to type is:

{{fromwp|ARTICLE NAME HERE}}

or, for Brad Jones:

{{fromwp|Brad Jones (footballer)}}.

As I have already said, you would need to talk amongst yourselves to work out what you want to do, whether you want to have WP content, which would require licensing your own content under the same terms, or whether you want only 100% original content.

Also, the version I have created is by no means final so feel free to make edits to it to make it look prettier or whatever you guys want.

Dreaded Walrus
10-06-2009, 00:10
Thanks for that. :) I take it I can use the template on other pages now, yes?

Well, you can do, but it's probably best for you and the other owners of the site (if there are any others) to discuss it first to see if you want to go down this route. In addition, you won't want to transclude the entire template with all the code (as you have been doing here (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Andy_King&diff=prev&oldid=6218) for example), as this would require major work whenever anyone made any changes to the template itself. Also, it would not work on pages which are at different titles on Wikipedia (such as Brad Jones). The best way to include the template is mentioned in the post above, and you would need to move it from my sandbox to whichever page you wanted it at (such as Template:fromwp, or Template:fwp).

And the main thing that would need to be done to comply with the GFDL which I cannot do for myself is you would need to host a copy of the GFDL which is currently linked on the template on your own server, and then we can modify the template to link direct to that. :)

Edit: Oh, and you would also need to be willing to license FMWiki under the same terms as Wikipedia (as in anyone can reuse or modify FMWiki content for any reason (including commercial), so long as they provide attribution). That's the other thing you would need to do, which might not be appealing.

ahmufcwafc
10-06-2009, 09:10
Advantages:
- We only have about 5 of us working on the wiki regularly, and doing this helps us get more content on the site.
- Plenty of information available to users of the wiki.

Disadvantages:
- In doing this, we perhaps come across as a poor relative of wikipedia.
- Some player profiles don't have any FM related info on the player.
- By looking at the wiki statistics, the player profiles get the lowest amount of views - then again, that could be down to the quantity of profiles available from the site.

At the moment it's my opinion that we need to change the way player profiles are done. Instead of taking all of the information from wikipedia, we should only be doing profiles on players that we have FM knowledge of - much like SCIAG suggested a few weeks back. Maybe instead of adding a heapload of profiles every day, FM related information could be added to current pages whenever possible? Just my opinion, feel free to disagree with me - I'm not going to be the one adding FM related content to player profiles as that really isn't my strong area.

arsenal_2111
10-06-2009, 15:56
Dreaded Walrus, thanks for the work you have done here, much appriciated.

I think I've already put my opinion across enough for player profiles,whilst I agree that having a lot of pages is nice I think we need information on them on FM in there.

Personally I would have

- Screenshot
- Personal Life
- Brief real life career (maybe screenshot of history?)
- The player in FM.

Obviously not all pages would have extensive information on each player, but it would be better this way. I'll make a new page for Tamas Priskin to give an example of what I think would be best.

K, I've done the Priskin page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Tam%C3%A1s_Priskin), thats what I think pages should try and be like. Obviously for some lower league players there would be less information on FM, but personally I think quality and suitability over quantity (not quite as catchy :D) as we should try and develop as many player profiles as we can rather than adding new ones for the time being.

SCIAG
10-06-2009, 16:10
Dreaded Walrus, thanks for the work you have done here, much appriciated.

I think I've already put my opinion across enough for player profiles,whilst I agree that having a lot of pages is nice I think we need information on them on FM in there.

Personally I would have

- Screenshot
- Personal Life
- Brief real life career (maybe screenshot of history?)
- The player in FM.

Obviously not all pages would have extensive information on each player, but it would be better this way. I'll make a new page for Tamas Priskin to give an example of what I think would be best.
I agree with that. I also think we need notability guidelines much like they have on WP. I think it would be best to do these with regards to PA. Anybody with a PA above, say, 150, can have a page, including -8s and above. Furthermore, anybody with a noted outstanding feature, such as several high physical attributes, or starting in the first team squad of a team in a certain standard of league, or being Mascio, can have a page.

arsenal_2111
10-06-2009, 16:26
I wouldn't agree that there should be specifications of who warrants a page or not. That way you are making fmwiki elitest, only supplying the information for those who play in the higher leagues.

Elitist is probably the wrong word, actually. But I'm sure you get what I mean.

In my opinion anyone who is going to write up a full article about a player should be able to write about who they want, standard of player regardless.

JJay
10-06-2009, 16:31
I agree with the above :)

1000 images left to upload - on a faster connection though so should be done within the hour

SCIAG
10-06-2009, 16:34
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Alexey_Smertin needs to be moved to "players". Smertin the politician is not included in FM, Smertin the player is (just not in 09)

arsenal_2111
10-06-2009, 16:36
Thanks for the update JJay :)


http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Alexey_Smertin needs to be moved to "players". Smertin the politician is not included in FM, Smertin the player is (just not in 09)

Done, cheers :) EDIT: Undone, he's retired :thup:

Btw, I've updated the Priskin page

ssestig
10-06-2009, 16:38
Liking the page on Priskin Jammy. That's the way forward I reckon. Nothing against the other suggestions on the player profiles but that looks the best that i've seen so far.

arsenal_2111
10-06-2009, 16:40
Thanks :thup:

Do peopleagree that we should try to change the articles we have before adding new player ones in for now?

Even if we only get a few changed it is best to have some original ones imo.

SCIAG
10-06-2009, 16:41
I wouldn't agree that there should be specifications of who warrants a page or not. That way you are making fmwiki elitest, only supplying the information for those who play in the higher leagues.

Elitist is probably the wrong word, actually. But I'm sure you get what I mean.

In my opinion anyone who is going to write up a full article about a player should be able to write about who they want, standard of player regardless.
I agree with you to an extent. Good lower league players should be allowed pages, but including pages on players who aren't going to get in a playable team is backwards working at this stage. We don't yet have a profile page for Frank Lampard, for example. Once we have an established base, we can work our way down the ladder.

Another point to consider- do we fully update every page after a new release? At the moment the little genuine player info we have is based almost entirely on FM09. What about when the nnext game comes out, or even a new patch?

SCIAG
10-06-2009, 16:44
Thanks for the update JJay :)



Done, cheers :) EDIT: Undone, he's retired :thup:

Btw, I've updated the Priskin page
He's retired, but not in the latest game. Smertin was in 07 and possibly 08. Either we move him to a new cat, "retired persons" (Vivean-Foe could go there too), or we keep them in "players" (as it's "FM Wiki", not "FM09 Wiki). Either way, Smertin (and MVF) aren't in any version of FM as a non-player...

JJay
10-06-2009, 16:46
Could put them in both Players and a new Retired category - or just a Retired category would suffice

ssestig
10-06-2009, 16:48
I would say in both sections.

Does everyone think that we should include PA numbers on the wiki? I know that some people that use the forums (eg. the LLaMa forum) do not like to read/know the PAs of players.

JJay
10-06-2009, 16:54
http://vanishingpointwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Spoiler - Something like that ssestig would probably be best to implement if you were thinking about doing CAs and PAs :)

pnefc22
10-06-2009, 16:54
I'm back, guys :thup:

Had a lot of work with exams and coursework recently but now, that I only have one exam left, I thought that I would make my return here.

I have been following the thread whilst working though so, I understand about the wii being down and on the player profiles section, I think that they should be original and therefore, not allowed to be copied by other sites (other fm wiki sites) :D

I will get back working on the wiki soon, but I do have a lot of coursework and one exam left so, I may not be doing loads until around the 23rd.

ssestig
10-06-2009, 17:01
http://vanishingpointwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Spoiler - Something like that ssestig would probably be best to implement if you were thinking about doing CAs and PAs :)

That's great JJay. Exactly what I was thinking of. Applied to the Simon Church page and just about to do the Pato page.

JJay
10-06-2009, 17:01
23rd is my birthday so you best be back for that ;)

I've added the spoiler code to the wiki should you opt to use it - let me know if its of any use. To use it you need to surround the text you're using with <spoiler> and </spoiler>

SCIAG
10-06-2009, 17:04
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Anthony_Vanden_Borre

Needs fixing :)

ahmufcwafc
10-06-2009, 17:07
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Anthony_Vanden_Borre

Needs fixing :)
Yeah, there's about 20 or so pages with database errors around since the software upgrade was made. Is it possible to fix it JJay?

JJay
10-06-2009, 17:09
Yeah I'll get around to fixing those - it is on my things to do - bit hectic this week as its the mrs' birthday today!

With regards to the spoiler tags I've edited the colours on the box instead of the bright red to this - http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Wikiupdate

Edit: Could somebody make a list of the broken profiles and PM them to me so I can look at the cause for it - I've got a feeling its due to the ParserFunctions (which added all the accents etc.) which has messed links up

60 images to go :)

arsenal_2111
10-06-2009, 17:11
I've done the Fabregas page like Priskin, have a look if you want. I'lm going to do a couple more like it whenever I can, so make sure you write down the names of pages that are original content please:)

JJay, those spoilers are much better, the fmwiki colours :D

JJay
10-06-2009, 17:14
All images uploaded now :)

SCIAG
10-06-2009, 17:15
I have added original content to:

Simon Church
Hal Robson-Kanu
Gylfi Sigurdsson
A.Hleb
Alexis Sanchez
Alexandre Pato

Kevin Doyle is completely original.

Dreaded Walrus
10-06-2009, 18:11
Another point to consider- do we fully update every page after a new release? At the moment the little genuine player info we have is based almost entirely on FM09. What about when the nnext game comes out, or even a new patch?

It's certainly something that would need thinking about. Player stats are certainly an important part of information about a player, one would assume, but creating new screenshots every year would be laborious, to say the least. Creating one for each new patch would probably be overkill, even though stats often do change with the data updates.

I'm of the opinion that any screenshots should be taken at the start of the game too, rather than after having had the players developed. Perhaps for players which start off rubbish but advance to become great, then a "developed" screenshot could be added within the spoiler field too, I suppose.

But if you do choose to include screens in the long-term, it's definitely something that needs discussing. Hell, it's probably possible to create a bot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots) to automate the task each time a new game comes out for each player there's an article about, but it would require a lot of programming know-how, and processing power obviously for the task itself.

SCIAG
10-06-2009, 18:21
I knew that bots could do simple tasks (I have a WP account myself) but I never thought they could do something as external as that :eek:

hamilton162
10-06-2009, 18:42
I've added a CSE (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=CSE_-_Challenges,_Sign-Ups_and_Experiments) page as requested by Alan in the Wiki Forums and i am also working on a graphics pack one :)

Dreaded Walrus
10-06-2009, 18:46
I knew that bots could do simple tasks (I have a WP account myself) but I never thought they could do something as external as that :eek:

Well it's all about how you program it. For example, on WP there is a bot which checks the text of any new article to see if it is likely to be a copyright violation of an existing page somewhere else on the net, and tags it for speedy deletion if so with a link to the page it is likely to be a copy of. Then an admin can check if it's copied (and if the text it's copied from is copyrighted or released as free content) and either delete it or remove the tag.

It wouldn't be impossible to write a bot that runs on a powerful computer that, once a new game is released, looks for all player articles on FMwiki, then does a search for each of those players within the game (this is why it would need to be a powerful computer, to be able to load enough players to avoid having to do the task multiple times with different leagues loaded), take a screenshot of their profile, upload it to the wiki, and then add the new image to the article.

It's just whether there's any programmers amongst us and anyone with the computer to run it (and the willingness to pretty much give up their computer for a couple of days around the launch of each new game).

So it's not impossible, just rather impractical. You could technically write a bot to do ANY repetitive task.

ahmufcwafc
10-06-2009, 19:24
I've added a CSE (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=CSE_-_Challenges,_Sign-Ups_and_Experiments) page as requested by Alan in the Wiki Forums and i am also working on a graphics pack one :)
Thanks. Here (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Graphics_Packs) is the current graphics packs page, maybe you could add to that and/or replace some of the content already there?

hamilton162
10-06-2009, 19:32
That's what i am doing gradually Alan :thup: :) No problem either, it was simple to create the CSE Page :)

JJay
11-06-2009, 16:17
I've fixed a couple of profiles now - what other profiles have been showing errors?

ahmufcwafc
11-06-2009, 16:32
I believe it just affected all pages that have titles with accents on them.

arsenal_2111
11-06-2009, 16:36
I had a look in the Wanted Pages page, and there was a page for Serie A in there. So I made one, but have just checked and there is already one there.

I'll make one Serie B instead, but which one?

1 (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Serie_A)

2 (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Italy_-_Serie_A)

ahmufcwafc
11-06-2009, 16:39
Maybe a mix of two, taking as much info as possible out of both? You made both of them so it mightn't be too difficult.

arsenal_2111
11-06-2009, 16:41
Maybe a mix of two, taking as much info as possible out of both? You made both of them so it mightn't be too difficult.

No, the first one I made has been completely redone by Jod.

EDIT: But still, I'll mix them around.

JJay
11-06-2009, 16:59
Yeah - got any more that need fixing?

ahmufcwafc
11-06-2009, 17:08
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Nemanja_Vidi%C3%83%E2%80%9E%C3%A2% E2%82%AC%C2%A1
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Luka_Modri%C3%83%E2%80%9E%C3%A2%E2 %82%AC%C2%A1
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Przemys%C3%83%E2%80%A6%C3%A2%E2%82 %AC%C5%A1aw_Ka%C3%83%E2%80%A6%C3%82%C2%BAmierczak
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Kak%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A1
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=M%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A1rton_F%C3 %83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%BCl%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%B6p
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Petr_%C3%83%E2%80%9E%C3%85%E2%80%9 9ech
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Kriszti%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A1n_N %C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A9meth
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Zden%C3%83%E2%80%9E%C3%A2%E2%82%AC %C2%BAk_Grygera
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Zolt%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A1n_Hars %C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A1nyi
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Barcelona
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=CSKA_Moscow
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Internazionale
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Tottenham_Hotspur

JJay
11-06-2009, 17:17
Fixed those ones now too

ahmufcwafc
11-06-2009, 17:20
I'm still getting database errors for all of them. :(

pnefc22
11-06-2009, 17:22
Don't know if this is on the list above but I am getting a database error for this one:

Edwin's page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Edwin_van_der_Sar)

arsenal_2111
11-06-2009, 17:29
Don't know if this is on the list above but I am getting a database error for this one:

Edwin's page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Edwin_van_der_Sar)

Same for me, that's Edwin van der Sar in case someone didn't click :D

JJay
11-06-2009, 18:18
I found the underlying cause which was the CharSet as first believed - but found the actual setting - should stop this happening in future

Check for errors now :)

Edit: You may need to move current pages with odd characters to the correct page as I did not want to run a script on the database to do this automatically incase it messed up

JJay
11-06-2009, 19:29
If you see the articles on the Main Page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Main_Page) changing then be aware that it's me playing about :)

JJay
11-06-2009, 20:10
I have changed the Selected Article to be a featured article each month. At present this is manual but in future could be automated if it felt appropriate.

Also - some feedback on whether an integrated IRC applet would be of any use for the wiki would be useful :)

JJay
11-06-2009, 20:10
I have changed the Selected Article to be a featured article each month. At present this is manual but in future could be automated if it felt appropriate.

Also - some feedback on whether an integrated IRC applet would be of any use for the wiki would be useful :) - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat

arsenal_2111
11-06-2009, 20:37
I have changed the Selected Article to be a featured article each month. At present this is manual but in future could be automated if it felt appropriate.

Also - some feedback on whether an integrated IRC applet would be of any use for the wiki would be useful - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat

Do we have a choice what to change it to? It'd be a shame to have a not so good page on there, or a page copied from Wiki. Thanks for adding it tho :)

What is that IRC thing? I don't really understand it :(


If you see the articles on the Main Page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Main_Page) changing then be aware that it's me playing about

Shocking :thdn: ;)

peter-evo
11-06-2009, 20:39
So please now read on about everything Football Manager you will ever need to know!

Who put that? What was wrong with what I put?

ahmufcwafc
11-06-2009, 21:06
Who put that? What was wrong with what I put?
Jammy changed it around a bit, just to freshen up the main page a bit. Surely nothing wrong with that?

peter-evo
11-06-2009, 21:07
Nope, just didn't think it made much sense. The sentence that is.

ahmufcwafc
11-06-2009, 21:18
Nope, just didn't think it made much sense. The sentence that is.
Ah, never noticed that. Football Manager related then?


Do we have a choice what to change it to? It'd be a shame to have a not so good page on there, or a page copied from Wiki. Thanks for adding it tho :)
We can change it. Are we happy with the Confederations Cup for now or do you think we shouldn't have another competition as our featured article?


I have changed the Selected Article to be a featured article each month. At present this is manual but in future could be automated if it felt appropriate.

Also - some feedback on whether an integrated IRC applet would be of any use for the wiki would be useful :) - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat
Just so I'm understanding correctly - it's basically a chat addon for the site, yes?

peter-evo
11-06-2009, 21:20
Ah, never noticed that. Football Manager related then?

I don't understand what you mean.

ahmufcwafc
11-06-2009, 21:21
So please now read on about everything Football Manager RELATED you will ever need to know!

peter-evo
11-06-2009, 21:23
So please now read on about everything Football Manager RELATED that you will ever need to know!

ssestig
11-06-2009, 23:27
Just started a page for Leicester City. Is that better content wise? Obviously missing budgets, stadium info and suggested formation/signings which can be added at a later date.

Also for the screenshots for players, can they all be from the first season only please guys so that we know what they start the game like first then add some more at a later date.

JJay
12-06-2009, 08:28
Ah, never noticed that. Football Manager related then?


We can change it. Are we happy with the Confederations Cup for now or do you think we shouldn't have another competition as our featured article?


Just so I'm understanding correctly - it's basically a chat addon for the site, yes?

Yes mate - is it of any use?

As for the featured article - yes it is changeable and I only picked the Confed Cup out of the fact that it had an image and could easily be tested. At the moment, the choosing of articles is a manual process

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 11:50
Yes mate - is it of any use?

Not sure if it'd be used much, but it would be a nice feature to have on the site imo. :thup:

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 15:43
Who put that? What was wrong with what I put?

Jammy changed it around a bit, just to freshen up the main page a bit. Surely nothing wrong with that?

Nope, just didn't think it made much sense. The sentence that is.

Like Alan said, that was me. It was worded quite badly, reading it again. :thup:


We can change it. Are we happy with the Confederations Cup for now or do you think we shouldn't have another competition as our featured article?

Confederations Cup is fine, although it may be best to try and keep it to pages that contain some FM information for next times?

Was just checking for the future though:)


Just so I'm understanding correctly - it's basically a chat addon for the site, yes?

That'd be quite good, might not get used much but would be a nice little add on :)


Just started a page for Leicester City. Is that better content wise? Obviously missing budgets, stadium info and suggested formation/signings which can be added at a later date.

Also for the screenshots for players, can they all be from the first season only please guys so that we know what they start the game like first then add some more at a later date.

That's alright now imo, obviously it will need adding to to make it more in touch with other team guides but yeah, that's fine :-)

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 15:44
By the way, player pages with accents are screwed up again. Priskin's page is called Tam�s Priskin and has no content - not sure what's happened here.

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 16:15
By the way, player pages with accents are screwed up again. Priskin's page is called Tam�s Priskin and has no content - not sure what's happened here.
Yep, getting the same here. Maybe in future we should leave accents out of page titles?