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ssestig
15-07-2010, 15:39
Sorted now mate. Didn't come up on my usual alert on site but i've found your account request now.

ssestig
20-07-2010, 22:24
With squad numbers for the new season out or out soon can you either let me know and i'll sort it on the wiki or sign up and edit your team(s) squad number changes please.

pnefc22
20-07-2010, 23:05
I'm back :O been quite busy recently, but I've got over a month of nothing now so, I'll get cracking.

Might knock up a bunch of player profiles tonight as I've gone through a lot of players in the last few days. I basically played FM for the last 4 days straight with the odd bit of real football mixed in.

ssestig
28-07-2010, 01:30
Any progress on the player profiles Rob? I've also done what transfers i've seen over the last week or so and have upped the GTPG thread asking for permissions for team and player guides.

Brose
28-07-2010, 06:56
I think, quoting verbatim from the forum is perfectly fine if we were using it with the purpose to share and educate. And provided we include the name / nickname of the quoted individual giving them due credit.

ssestig
28-07-2010, 15:28
That is exactly what we are doing Brose.

hamilton162
28-07-2010, 21:59
Wow, haven't been in here, or in GD for a matter of fact, for ages. Completely forgot about this, so i have started to edit the Wycombe Wanderers page & will try and update the squads of some of the other League 2 teams soon. :thup:

ssestig
28-07-2010, 22:03
Cheers mate. Any help is appreciated with current squads.

ssestig
13-08-2010, 13:59
Just an update - all information for FM11 that has been released has been added and squads for Premiership and Championship clubs have been updated so if anyone can help with updating squads that would be appreciated.

Nottingham Forest
13-08-2010, 21:46
Just an update - all information for FM11 that has been released has been added and squads for Premiership and Championship clubs have been updated so if anyone can help with updating squads that would be appreciated.

How. Sorry if Im being thick mate. Also i havent contributed to Fm Wiki because I dont understand the layout so would it be possible if we are allowed to create a thread where people can put players in and then you and whoever know how copy and paste them on to FM Wiki. Myabe put a thread in GPTG or in here if it was ok with the mods.

ssestig
13-08-2010, 22:06
There is a permissions thread in GTPG which was used in the same way for last year's game (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/104022-FMWiki-Can-we-use-your-club-thread) so I suppose we could do the same with this year's thread (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/181689-Can-we-use-your-club-player-guide-thread-for-www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk). I'll link last year's player permissions thread here in a min once i've found it - http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/136227-Can-you-help-to-improve-the-player-section-of-footballmanagerwiki.co.uk

Nottingham Forest
13-08-2010, 22:50
There is a permissions thread in GTPG which was used in the same way for last year's game (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/104022-FMWiki-Can-we-use-your-club-thread) so I suppose we could do the same with this year's thread (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/181689-Can-we-use-your-club-player-guide-thread-for-www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk). I'll link last year's player permissions thread here in a min once i've found it - http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/136227-Can-you-help-to-improve-the-player-section-of-footballmanagerwiki.co.uk

ok i get it now ignore the pm. can i just post all the players in there. is there a set way to set it out like there is when you want put a player in looking for or should i buy sell etc. if there ssestig then i think you should do what you did for me that time on how i laid out the way used ask then its simple for people to use. obviously you run it but it would help.

ssestig
13-08-2010, 22:56
As many players as you want to mate as any helpful info is great. Just include as much of the info i've put in this year's thread which i'll give a disclaimer for your work [obviously if a player starts out at your current club you can't give an expected transfer fee etc.] and if you need/what any more help just let me know either here or via PM.

Nottingham Forest
13-08-2010, 23:13
As many players as you want to mate as any helpful info is great. Just include as much of the info i've put in this year's thread which i'll give a disclaimer for your work [obviously if a player starts out at your current club you can't give an expected transfer fee etc.] and if you need/what any more help just let me know either here or via PM.

cool, thanks. if it clogs up your fm wiki membership thing you can delete my account andi will just put everything in the other thread.

ssestig
11-09-2010, 00:33
Don't worry about that NF.


Also (the main reason i'm here) - I'm about to start to do pages on national teams like the clubs have. I've also done most of the squad updates for teams in England onto the clubs' main pages so if there is something that need changing let me know or sign up/log into your account and change it for yourselves.

Thank you.

rancer890
11-09-2010, 00:52
Thanks for bumping this up ssestig. :)

I just updated the Asian Champions League page to include the new rules and regulations.

Once FM11 comes out, I'll have a look at MLS and update that page too because it's really out of date since I last updated it...

ssestig
11-09-2010, 17:06
No problems mate. You're the only one that is involved with the wiki who plays/knows anything about the MLS (or at least mentions it) so any help with that helps. Can you have a look at the Welsh national team and let me know what you think of it.

rancer890
11-09-2010, 17:46
No problems mate. You're the only one that is involved with the wiki who plays/knows anything about the MLS (or at least mentions it) so any help with that helps. Can you have a look at the Welsh national team and let me know what you think of it.

It looks solid, even though it's a little out of date..last updated August 2009. :p

There aren't a lot of data about the CONCACAF and AFC nations, so I might have a look at those and write/update them, as well as the AFC affiliated leagues, although I will probably just write them after FM11 is released.

The MLS 2010 page lacks a lot of detail about the restrictions and I would want to write a more detailed one for FM11

It's been a little dead recently on that site and it wouldn't hurt to get some more help for the player profiles and leagues, like the people at GPTG, as well as the other forums.

ssestig
11-09-2010, 17:52
Nobody seems to want to do any player profiles. Have had a few offers over the last few months but nothing has come as part of it so i'll PM those members and ask about any progress on them. I've not been on any other site about FM except FM Chat and the wiki site so I may sign up for a couple of them.

rancer890
14-09-2010, 15:33
ssestig (or anyone), how do I create a new wiki page again? :p

vinsinaty
14-09-2010, 17:15
Just an update - all information for FM11 that has been released has been added and squads for Premiership and Championship clubs have been updated so if anyone can help with updating squads that would be appreciated.
good job :)

I don't see the new "player's position on profile" thing : "MR, AMC" instead of AMRC for instance ?

ssestig
22-09-2010, 23:39
Only just seen these comments so i'll answer them now.


rancer - Search for it using the search box, then there should be 'create this page' link in red. Click that and away you go.

vinsinaty - If you click on the player's name and you go on the positions tab next to profile. You'll see what are natural position(s), accomplished positions etc. in there. That is also where you'll find the PPMs the player currently has.

rancer890
23-09-2010, 02:54
Cheers ssestig. Added Canadian national team page, although it's not complete yet. Will fill more things in from time to time.

And will add the USMNT page soon.

vinsinaty
23-09-2010, 14:29
Thanks for your answer but I think we are misunderstanding. I am speaking about the wiki... In your wiki I saw nothing related with the new feature regarding the new position advisements ? I am not sure to be clear. Can anyone help to explain ?

Anyway, great job :)

ssestig
23-09-2010, 23:19
Not sure exactly what you mean mate. If it is a new feature for FM11 i'm not concentrating on them - I think arsenal_2111 is. However i'll bring this to his attention.

arsenal_2111
25-09-2010, 17:28
Good spot, thanks for pointing it out - I'll add it in :)

I'll also do the podcast features from yesterday later, haven't had time but will do it ASAP :)

EDIT: done the positions feature - put it under UI, reckon it's more suited to 'Other'?

vinsinaty
26-09-2010, 13:33
Don't know mate you re the pro :)

Great job to you then :)

ssestig
28-09-2010, 02:01
Not too long to go now until FM11 so we'll update the FM11 information section as soon as we can after the information comes out. Also if [after the demo comes out] people want to write guides for teams for FM11 early they can do.


Still to update European squad pages so if any help can be offered i'll appreciate it.

Nottingham Forest
04-10-2010, 13:09
ssestig, I know I said I would get round to doing the player profiles for Nottingham Forest but should I post everything in here. It seems easiest as then if I do make any mistakes or get things wrong, people can help correct me.

ssestig
04-10-2010, 13:38
That's fine with me.

Nottingham Forest
04-10-2010, 13:48
Lee Camp

Lee Camp is a goalkeeper that currently plays for Nottingham Forest. He originally joined Forest on loan in the 2008-2009 season. This was then made permanent in the summer of 2009 for a fee in the region of 150k. Camp is a strong goalkeeper who can be the Forest number 1 for about 3 seasons if you get to the Premiership. Once you have been in the Premiership for a season or 2 you will have to start looking for new number 1 as Camp won't be good enough. If you stay in the Championship then he can be your number 1 for about 5 seasons. I have only played him as the default goalkeeper setting. In this position he seems to do well.

Chris Gunter

Chris Gunter is a Welsh international player who currently plays for Nottingham Forest. He made his move permanent to The City Ground for 1.75m in the summer of 2009 after a loan spell at Forest in the 2008-2009 season. He is a right back by trade but can play at left back. He plays good as the all round(what's it called on the game) right back role. If you get to the Premiership, Gunter can be your first choice right back for quite a few seasons.

Wes Morgan

Wes Morgan is a strong centre back who has been at Nottingham Forest all his life. He plays best as a default centre back. Although his coach reports state that he isn't the best he can do a great job. He was my best centre back in my Nottingham Forest save in my first season in which we got promoted. He can also do a job in the first season in the Premiership.

SCIAG
04-10-2010, 17:54
Support? Automatic?

Nottingham Forest
04-10-2010, 18:07
Support? Automatic?

Automatic, I think. Cheers, I forgot.

ssestig
04-10-2010, 23:25
All 3 have been added mate.

Nottingham Forest
05-10-2010, 09:20
All 3 have been added mate.

Ok cool. I'll get more added soon as well.

Nottingham Forest
06-10-2010, 14:43
Kelvin Wilson

Kelvin Wilson is a central defender by trade but can also play at right back. He started off playing for Notts County before moving to Preston North End and then he joined Nottingham Forest. In the Nottingham Forest squad he is rated as the best central defender by your coaches and could probably still be 4th/5th choice going in to your 3rd season in the Premiership if you get there.

arsenal_2111
10-10-2010, 18:28
Done a lot of work on FM11 things today - every announced feature is now on the site. Have also moved around the home page, linking to the twitter page (fmwiki) and the newly created Facebook page (footballmanagerwiki.co.uk).

All on track for the release date now I think!

ChrisNUFC
10-10-2010, 20:25
Could have swore I used to have an account! Anyway, I'll look to add bits and bobs from the Researcher's Guide about attributes and the like.

arsenal_2111
10-10-2010, 21:40
I thought you did too - apparently not!

Confirmed your account :)

arsenal_2111
10-10-2010, 21:50
Also, congrats - you're the 150th member - not bad for a site running since 20th Feb 2009! ;D

ChrisNUFC
10-10-2010, 22:18
Oh, nice! /flex Thank you very much.

ssestig
11-10-2010, 00:22
Would be nice to see what the researchers job entails exactly if i've read that right.

ChrisNUFC
11-10-2010, 20:16
Account/Server has been suspended?

arsenal_2111
11-10-2010, 20:59
I have no idea.

'This Account Has Been Suspended'

is coming up. I'll contact JJay and ask about it. Sorry guys!

Nottingham Forest
11-10-2010, 21:34
Stig. You will get the rest of the player profiles when I do the Team guide for Nottingham Forest for FM11. If you are allowed to use them.

ssestig
11-10-2010, 22:38
That's fine with me mate. If you just want to save them as an email draft/into Word etc. for now that can be sent to me if you want.

Nottingham Forest
11-10-2010, 22:41
That's fine with me mate. If you just want to save them as an email draft/into Word etc. for now that can be sent to me if you want.

I haven't started anything for the thread yet mate. I'm not going to start it until the demo comes out and I have looked at the squad and everything.

ssestig
11-10-2010, 23:57
I meant the player profiles mate not the FM11 NF thread.

arsenal_2111
12-10-2010, 17:27
If I were you, I wouldn't do anything for the site right now - I'm really not sure when, or even if, it'll be back online.

If you were going to do them anyway, then obviously do so, but if it's just for the site I'd recommend you wait until we know a bit more about what's happening.

:)

Nottingham Forest
12-10-2010, 17:29
If I were you, I wouldn't do anything for the site right now - I'm really not sure when, or even if, it'll be back online.

If you were going to do them anyway, then obviously do so, but if it's just for the site I'd recommend you wait until we know a bit more about what's happening.

:)

Why what's happening to the site? If I am allowed to ask.

CaptainPlanet
12-10-2010, 17:33
I love that this thread is still going :D

ssestig
12-10-2010, 20:48
I love that this thread is still going :D

Can't remember your last post in it CP. Hopefully the site will be up soonish.

arsenal_2111
14-10-2010, 20:19
Why what's happening to the site? If I am allowed to ask.

I have no idea - I've contacted JJay, our host, but am yet to recieve a reply.

Will update as soon as I know.

arsenal_2111
15-10-2010, 22:29
Right, JJay's said that he knows the problem, and it'll be solved by Wednesday at the latest, so we should be back soon :)

arsenal_2111
22-10-2010, 17:21
We're back!

Thanks to JJay for getting it sorted so quickly :)

ssestig
23-10-2010, 01:44
Good news Jammy. Thanks JJay. I'll get going with my next batch of work over the next few days.

arsenal_2111
26-10-2010, 23:55
Done a lot of work on this today:

Training has been completely rewritten
Various staff pages completely rewritten (including 'Chairman', 'Manager', 'Staff')
'Attributes' has been redesigned to have links to all 4 pages that have types of attributes on them.

Successful day, in all :)

If anyone has a link to the guidelines for FM11 7* coaching, it'd be much appreciated!

EDIT: Finances page and FM06 page been added to, meaning we now have no stubs on the site!

ssestig
27-10-2010, 15:13
Very good Jammy to have no stubs left on the site. I'm starting on my guide on Crewe for FM11 and it's nice to see GTPG are already up for a variety of teams and players.

ssestig
10-11-2010, 01:44
Are we down again for anyone else?

DANNY1000000
10-11-2010, 12:48
Says account is suspended

Fabio MVP
10-11-2010, 12:49
Says account is suspended

Seconded .

rancer890
10-11-2010, 14:48
The site got suspended again. :(

arsenal_2111
10-11-2010, 17:28
Grrrr, i'll try and find out what's happened...

cheers for noticing :thup:

arsenal_2111
11-11-2010, 19:17
Tis another problem with billing, it'll be sorted soon and this'll be the last time it happens (hopefully!)

crouchaldinho
11-11-2010, 23:22
Was just going to come in here and let you know about that. Will it be down for long? Cheers. :)

ssestig
12-11-2010, 00:45
Not sure yet Crouchy. Hopefully not for too long :thup:


[thinly veiled I have some stuff to put on it comment]

arsenal_2111
12-11-2010, 21:42
I'd imagine it'll be a couple of days, really depends on how fast the hosting company process the payments (as far as I understand!), we can only guess really. Hopefully it'll be soon, but can't be sure.

Sorry about this lads, JJay's working on it :)

arsenal_2111
27-11-2010, 20:50
We're back online!

Thanks JJay :)

Hopefully this won't be happening again :)

ssestig
29-11-2010, 17:42
I've started putting the FM11 team guides i've recieved permission for on the site :thup:

arsenal_2111
20-12-2010, 15:30
What do people think to the home page now? Felt it was time for a change...

Also, Stig, you should have an e-mail :)

ssestig
20-12-2010, 15:36
Like it and have recieved the email. I'll have a think about it if that's OK and let you know :thup:

arsenal_2111
20-12-2010, 15:45
That's fine, no rush - if it's a competition it will probably run through January :)

arsenal_2111
29-12-2010, 01:55
Any ideas if you're going to go for it yet mate? :)

ssestig
29-12-2010, 02:01
Haven't thought about it tbh. Prize it though - doubt i'd have a lot of time with it.

arsenal_2111
29-12-2010, 23:06
Alright then, will do. Will be interesting to see if there are many entries for it...

ssestig
08-01-2011, 21:59
Do you think that we should as well as having the list of clubs that a player has played for also have which versions of the game we have a player profile for?

interesti88
08-01-2011, 22:11
Just wondering, but is there gonna be an update for Inter?

ssestig
08-01-2011, 22:14
As in squad or team guide for FM11? If it's the former I can sort that out. If it's the latter i'm either still waiting for permission for the GTPG Inter thread or I haven't got round to putting it on yet.

arsenal_2111
09-01-2011, 00:07
What, so have categories?

If that's what you mean, I reckon it's a good idea.

So, if you gave players who have FM09 and FM10 profiles the following categories:

[[Category:Player Profiles 2009]]
[[Category:Player Profiles 2010]]

and then made them sub categories in the FM09/FM10 categories etc

If that is what you mean, I like the idea :)

ssestig
10-01-2011, 16:00
That's exactly it Jammy :thup:

ssestig
17-01-2011, 16:22
I've started to do them now like the FM09 Player Guides page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Category:FM09_Player_Guides). Are there any more changes that need to be done?

JJay
01-02-2011, 11:05
Ssestig, drop me an email :)

Who else is about still?

ssestig
03-02-2011, 01:57
PM your email please sir :thup:

arsenal_2111
12-02-2011, 01:04
rightyo, the site's updated again, there is now a competition running with a year long subscription to FML on offer!

what i've done:

(sidebar) moved links into two separate boxes
(sidebar) removed 'selected articles', 'help', 'facebook & twitter' and 'about'
(sidebar) added 'FMW in pictures', 'competition', 'facebook', 'twitter' and 'community portal' which now leads to...
this thread (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/254235-www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk) in the fansites forum - doubt it'll get many views but ah well!
the header on the main page is slightly changed
competition added (including own page, T&C page and mention on Feb 11 picture
facebook and twitter both updated - hopefully they'll start being used a bit more at some point!

arsenal_2111
12-02-2011, 01:07
FEBRUARY ON FOOTBALLMANAGERWIKI.CO.UK

TWITTER (http://twitter.com/fmwiki) | MAIN SITE (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Main_Page) | FACEBOOK (http://www.facebook.com/pages/footballmanagerwikicouk/160616530629719)

On the 20th of February, we celebrate our 2nd birthday as a site, and have a fantastic competition to celebrate! You can get a years subscription of Football Manager Live absolutely free, just by answering a simple question about the game! To find out more about this great competition, please visit the main site and search for 'Competition' - who knows, you could be the lucky one!

February's Editor's Pick is an article about Skipping the Start Up Videos. If you want to know how you can do this, either click here (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Start_up_videos) or search for 'start up videos' in the search box!

made by the community
for the community

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx124/fmwiki/AffiliateFM10.png

arsenal_2111
24-02-2011, 17:55
We've now had 17 entries to the competition, which is more than I was expecting in all honesty!

Still over a month to go - it'd be good if we could reach 30 entries by the end!

The facebook group has also grown a lot - to 42 members now, from about 7 earlier in the week.

We got a mention on the Football Manager group, which I think got us a lot of extra views/entries/fans!

Blue_magic
24-02-2011, 20:16
I was thinking of signing up but what would be the purpose?

ssestig
25-02-2011, 02:32
To edit any of the pages of the wiki to keep them updated or to create pages on players/teams that aren't currently on the wiki :thup:

arsenal_2111
10-03-2011, 18:50
54 entries into the competition now, doing pretty well!

ssestig
11-03-2011, 01:04
Just to let everyone know i'll be sorting out screenshots for all players on the site for the new patch over the next month or so.


Here is the FM wiki Facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/fmwiki) those that are interested in joining it.

ssestig
23-03-2011, 02:40
Down for anyone else?

J lambden
23-03-2011, 19:17
Down for me :(

arsenal_2111
24-03-2011, 20:07
Yep, seems to be down again I'm afraid - I'll ask JJ to see if he know why it may be :)

arsenal_2111
01-04-2011, 19:42
Hey guys, just to let you know we're back online now - sorry about the delay!

The winner of the competition, which attracted over 80 entries, is now finished and I'll be announcing the winner within the week. Hope everything's going okay, let me know if anything needs doing!

ssestig
24-04-2011, 15:50
Any numbers on how many for the this month's competition which has about a week to run?

ssestig
07-05-2011, 20:25
Just to let everyone know that April's competition has been extended into May and can be found here - http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Competition_(April/May_2011)

ssestig
28-05-2011, 19:05
Just a reminder that this month's competition ends on Tuesday here - http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Competition

snootyjim
29-05-2011, 20:43
Google says site may be compromised, don't know if that's a new thing.

And also, it looks like it's turned into a fan site... is that true?

ssestig
30-05-2011, 20:32
The site will be staying as it is Jim. Not sure about the google bit as I just have a link on my favourites bar.

snootyjim
01-06-2011, 16:40
Just saying it's hardly going to attract people to look at the site when Google's warning them to steer well clear.

And I'm not criticising or asking you to change it, just a genuine question about what role it is actually trying to perform.

markyosullivan
01-06-2011, 18:18
sticky :) this is really good

Fabio MVP
03-06-2011, 10:54
sticky :) this is really good
Sticky?

I don't want anyone to get me wrong as I appreciate the work that you guys from FMWiki do, but shouldn't this thread be in Fansites section as every other fansite thread?

EDIT: Just checked and I see that you already have a thread over there, so I don't understand how this one can be in GD?

snootyjim
03-06-2011, 12:36
This thread is here because it started off as a concept to start a wiki.

Obviously at some point it has turned into a fansite, but was never moved across.

arsenal_2111
04-06-2011, 18:17
Google says site may be compromised, don't know if that's a new thing.

And also, it looks like it's turned into a fan site... is that true?

Just saying it's hardly going to attract people to look at the site when Google's warning them to steer well clear.

And I'm not criticising or asking you to change it, just a genuine question about what role it is actually trying to perform.

What is it exactly that makes you think it's turned into a fansite? That's definitely not what we're planning for the site - whilst things like competitions may make the site seem like a fansite more than an information source, they are intended purely to attract more guests to the site, to try and increase widespread knowledge about the game.

That, for what it's worth, has been successful. Whilst there have only been 1,679 visits to the April/May competition page, there were over 270,000 page views overall in the same time period. Compare this to the 185,000 that we got in January/February, and you can see a marked improvement which I have no doubt is linked to some of the changes we've made.

Since the formation of the site, we've been aiming to pass on knowledge from people who know large amounts about the game to those who may need assistance in certain areas. An increase in over 40,000 views a month would, to me, make it seem as thought we've been successful with this. If just 10% of those 40,000 views have resulted in someone learning more about the game, that's still 4,000 pieces of knowledge we've passed on. That's the aim, and as far as I'm concerned we're well on the way to meeting it!

As always, if there are things that you'd like to see changed on the site, we'd really appreciate your comments on it - feel free to email jammy@footballmanagerwiki.co.uk with your comments, I'd love to have a conversation with you!


sticky :) this is really good

Well, thanks for what I suppose is a compliment, but it should most definitely not be a sticky, it's purely a discussion thread for the site.


Sticky?

I don't want anyone to get me wrong as I appreciate the work that you guys from FMWiki do, but shouldn't this thread be in Fansites section as every other fansite thread?

EDIT: Just checked and I see that you already have a thread over there, so I don't understand how this one can be in GD?

Basically, footballmanagerwiki was made as a result of this thread and it has been consistently used since then as a thread for discussion about the site - the majority of this is from the site's staff. If you look in the fansites forum, you'll see threads which advertise the sites (of which, like you correctly pointed out, we have) whereas this is for discussion. I'm not necessarily saying that this thread should be in this forum but, given that it has been so notorious over the past couple of years, have to say I don't see any real reason for it to be moved, deleted or otherwise. If you disagree with this, feel free to say and again I'll try my best to answer any questions you may have!

Cheers guys :)

Fabio MVP
04-06-2011, 18:21
I disagree! :D

Nah, not really. All cool Jamie (IIRC that is your name :D).

KUTGW guys. :thup:

arsenal_2111
04-06-2011, 18:45
I disagree! :D

Nah, not really. All cool Jamie (IIRC that is your name :D).

KUTGW guys. :thup:

It's normally Jammy, but that's a minor technicality!

Fabio MVP
04-06-2011, 18:46
Ahh right. :)

Cheers.

snootyjim
13-06-2011, 23:26
What is it exactly that makes you think it's turned into a fansite? That's definitely not what we're planning for the site - whilst things like competitions may make the site seem like a fansite more than an information source, they are intended purely to attract more guests to the site, to try and increase widespread knowledge about the game.

That, for what it's worth, has been successful. Whilst there have only been 1,679 visits to the April/May competition page, there were over 270,000 page views overall in the same time period. Compare this to the 185,000 that we got in January/February, and you can see a marked improvement which I have no doubt is linked to some of the changes we've made.

Since the formation of the site, we've been aiming to pass on knowledge from people who know large amounts about the game to those who may need assistance in certain areas. An increase in over 40,000 views a month would, to me, make it seem as thought we've been successful with this. If just 10% of those 40,000 views have resulted in someone learning more about the game, that's still 4,000 pieces of knowledge we've passed on. That's the aim, and as far as I'm concerned we're well on the way to meeting it!

I was one of the early editors, although I didn't really get that stuck in. IIRC I took issue over the inclusion of fan-made "team guides" that were published on these forums, for two reasons: firstly because it meant an enormous workload that could never possibly be completed (i.e. the wiki could never hope to have a comprehensive guide on every team going, especially not when each year it needed updating), and would therefore direct work away from other parts of the wiki that needed serious attention, and secondly because it went against the whole concept of a wiki (i.e. you can hardly start editing someone else's guide when it's attributed to them, and if you can't edit what's already there, it's not really a wiki).

Going back to the site recently (I only remembered it when I saw this thread bumped), I feel as though it has continued in that theme. The new landing page was the first thing that surprised me... maybe I'm a bit old-school or something, but it doesn't feel like an editable wiki.

Two examples: firstly, the Q&A sessions with SI staff. It's not verifiable, it's not editable, it's not related directly to the game. Especially Ter's interview in the last instance! Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you've got them, but to me, personally, it doesn't seem in tune with the concept of a wiki, and has much more in common with a fansite. Rather than saying it should all go in the bin (I'm really not attempting to slam the whole thing!) and be forgotten about, I think it would probably benefit from more division/separation from the wiki itself, because if that's an uneditable wiki page, then it's setting a precedent to new users of not touching anything.

Secondly, I've just looked at a few of the articles I edited/wrote back in 2009. Regrettably, apart from yourself and ahmufcwafc there have been very few users making continued edits to those articles. Compare that to what I consider one of the best game wikis out there, UESPWiki (http://www.uesp.net/) for The Elder Scrolls, and it's a whole different ballgame. People are dropping in their own thoughts and experiences in wherever they think they're apt.

Maybe people just aren't bothered enough about FM to make the effort, but that seems unlikely. I'm concerned that it seems to much like an authored fansite for people to feel confident or able to edit the articles, and furthermore that the direction of articles on repetition of available of guides and historical information wasn't attracting people to make the effort to read and give their own thoughts.

When I look at game wikis, it's often to find out what I've done wrong, to find out how to get over a difficult patch, or to better educate myself about a feature I don't understand. The FM Wiki doesn't seem to be doing that. Searching for team talks for example doesn't turn up anything at all, other than an article reproduced in full from FM Britain with an obscure title.

I accept that in part, the charge leveled should be "it's a wiki, if you don't like it, go change it", and fair enough. But when I initially started editing, it seemed as though I was the only one on that page. And looking now, it seems that more than ever, that's the case. I started off hoping for a massive repository of user-submitted information where people shared ideas on how training benefited their players, what team talks helped what kind of players, and how much each stage of ground improvements could cost, based on research from their own games, but it never seemed to be going that way.

In essence then, it's not so much the fansite aspect that I'm worried about - it's really a question of whether it's meant to be a "gamewiki" as I perceive them to be, comprehensive guides on every aspect of gameplay as represented by UESPWiki, even if the information is self-researched and potentially wrong, or a gamewiki not as I perceive them to be, serving a different purpose and/or goal. The fansite part comes in because I suspect it may be inhibiting editing, and thus preventing any move towards the aforementioned "ideal" that I laid out.

If I've got the wrong end of the stick, then feel free to call me out on it :). And if you would rather converse via email as previously mentioned, then that's fine... just wanted to outline my reasons on the forums initially.

arsenal_2111
14-06-2011, 17:28
If I've got the wrong end of the stick, then feel free to call me out on it :). And if you would rather converse via email as previously mentioned, then that's fine... just wanted to outline my reasons on the forums initially.

The forums are fine - in a way, I think it's useful for visitors to the site to be able to see discussions that take place about the site.


I was one of the early editors, although I didn't really get that stuck in. IIRC I took issue over the inclusion of fan-made "team guides" that were published on these forums, for two reasons: firstly because it meant an enormous workload that could never possibly be completed (i.e. the wiki could never hope to have a comprehensive guide on every team going, especially not when each year it needed updating), and would therefore direct work away from other parts of the wiki that needed serious attention, and secondly because it went against the whole concept of a wiki (i.e. you can hardly start editing someone else's guide when it's attributed to them, and if you can't edit what's already there, it's not really a wiki).

The team guides are something that, like you, I've always looked upon with some scepticism, and that's something I've never been afraid to show - this is an area of the site that Stig focusses on, along with player profiles, and one which I've left him to do the majority of time. Whilst I'm not particularly involved in this, I feel as though Stig has done, and is doing, a good job with this area of the site and although I'll continue to focus on other areas, I'm not about to intervene in an area which I'm not particularly involved in, especially when the person who has done it is doing what I see as a fairly good job.


Going back to the site recently (I only remembered it when I saw this thread bumped), I feel as though it has continued in that theme. The new landing page was the first thing that surprised me... maybe I'm a bit old-school or something, but it doesn't feel like an editable wiki.

The main reason for the new home page is that it is a lot easier to customise and change which, as it is me who does things like that, is important due to the lack of time I have. Rather than spending a lot of time coding, I can use the time to make improvements to the site.


Two examples: firstly, the Q&A sessions with SI staff. It's not verifiable, it's not editable, it's not related directly to the game. Especially Ter's interview in the last instance! Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you've got them, but to me, personally, it doesn't seem in tune with the concept of a wiki, and has much more in common with a fansite. Rather than saying it should all go in the bin (I'm really not attempting to slam the whole thing!) and be forgotten about, I think it would probably benefit from more division/separation from the wiki itself, because if that's an uneditable wiki page, then it's setting a precedent to new users of not touching anything.

To be honest, I think you've picked on a very strange point here. The interview with Ter, to choose the example you mentioned, was done in September 2009, in the weeks prior to the release of Football Manager 2010. To choose such an old example (which, I believe, is one of the only examples around) seems rather strange - I can't imagine many people judge websites on what happened almost two years ago.


Secondly, I've just looked at a few of the articles I edited/wrote back in 2009. Regrettably, apart from yourself and ahmufcwafc there have been very few users making continued edits to those articles. Compare that to what I consider one of the best game wikis out there, UESPWiki (http://www.uesp.net/) for The Elder Scrolls, and it's a whole different ballgame. People are dropping in their own thoughts and experiences in wherever they think they're apt.

You've a valid point here, and one which I really don't know how to get over. Users provide the basis of the majority of wikis, the one you've linked to having 29,950 users compared to our 166. Part of the reason we have done competitions in the past, which may make the site seem more like a fansite, is to try and attract more people to sign up to the site, but unfortunately this hasn't particularly happened. I think I'm going to talk to JJay, our webmaster, about reducing the security on the site, meaning people will be able to edit before signing up. In case you weren't aware, the reason for this being introduced in the first place was that we had a lot of 'Spammers' on the site. I'd be more than happy to do a 'trial' run to see if this returns if the site were to be unprotected.


Maybe people just aren't bothered enough about FM to make the effort, but that seems unlikely. I'm concerned that it seems to much like an authored fansite for people to feel confident or able to edit the articles, and furthermore that the direction of articles on repetition of available of guides and historical information wasn't attracting people to make the effort to read and give their own thoughts.

When I look at game wikis, it's often to find out what I've done wrong, to find out how to get over a difficult patch, or to better educate myself about a feature I don't understand. The FM Wiki doesn't seem to be doing that. Searching for team talks for example doesn't turn up anything at all, other than an article reproduced in full from FM Britain with an obscure title.

Another plan for the coming months is to reduce the number of articles from other websites that we have on the site. Ideally, we wouldn't have any of these and we would write our own but unfortunately one can't be an expert in all fields and sometimes, especially with so many editors, it is best to increase the number of places that someone can access the same article rather than not having any content on a page. If you look on my user page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=User:Arsenal_2111) you'll see a list of articles which I hope to have written as soon as possible - school work means it's not always easy to fit work in.


I accept that in part, the charge leveled should be "it's a wiki, if you don't like it, go change it", and fair enough. But when I initially started editing, it seemed as though I was the only one on that page. And looking now, it seems that more than ever, that's the case. I started off hoping for a massive repository of user-submitted information where people shared ideas on how training benefited their players, what team talks helped what kind of players, and how much each stage of ground improvements could cost, based on research from their own games, but it never seemed to be going that way.

If you have ideas as to how we could increase the number of regular editors we get then I'd be extremely grateful to hear from you. At the moment, we don't, and despite trying various things this doesn't seem to be changing, meaning that what you've mentioned above - which I'd agree should be the aim - doesn't seem to realistic in the coming months.


In essence then, it's not so much the fansite aspect that I'm worried about - it's really a question of whether it's meant to be a "gamewiki" as I perceive them to be, comprehensive guides on every aspect of gameplay as represented by UESPWiki, even if the information is self-researched and potentially wrong, or a gamewiki not as I perceive them to be, serving a different purpose and/or goal. The fansite part comes in because I suspect it may be inhibiting editing, and thus preventing any move towards the aforementioned "ideal" that I laid out.

Your comparison between us and the UESPWiki, whilst understandable that you're looking for an example, isn't the best you could have chosen. On their website, it says 'The UESPWiki – Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995' - that's 16 years of collecting knowledge. We've been going for around two years, so it's understandable that we're not quite at their level.

Also, at present, on the entire site, there are just nine pages which are 'Protected', meaning only admins can edit and make changes to them. The interviews make up three of these, and I cannot see that there is any good that could come out of these pages being editable - an interview is an interview, you can't edit what was said in it. Absolutely any content page is editable by users - it's only the 'official' pages which are not.


Thanks for your reply!

snootyjim
14-06-2011, 23:34
To be honest, I think you've picked on a very strange point here. The interview with Ter, to choose the example you mentioned, was done in September 2009, in the weeks prior to the release of Football Manager 2010. To choose such an old example (which, I believe, is one of the only examples around) seems rather strange - I can't imagine many people judge websites on what happened almost two years ago.

I didn't purposefully pick it as an odd example to base a theory around, it just happened to be one of the very few things I happened upon when I was looking round the site, and struck me as a bit odd. If you consider it an outlier/freak example, then fair enough.


You've a valid point here, and one which I really don't know how to get over. Users provide the basis of the majority of wikis, the one you've linked to having 29,950 users compared to our 166. Part of the reason we have done competitions in the past, which may make the site seem more like a fansite, is to try and attract more people to sign up to the site, but unfortunately this hasn't particularly happened. I think I'm going to talk to JJay, our webmaster, about reducing the security on the site, meaning people will be able to edit before signing up. In case you weren't aware, the reason for this being introduced in the first place was that we had a lot of 'Spammers' on the site. I'd be more than happy to do a 'trial' run to see if this returns if the site were to be unprotected.

I see where you're coming from. I guess this is going to be the difficulty - to get more edits, you need more users; to get more users, you need more attractions; and to be more attractive you need to be more of a fansite. Ideally the content would provide that draw but clearly that hasn't actually happened yet - and the only way that's going to happen is when the number of users and editors reaches critical mass... regrettably that seems a while away.

I wasn't aware of the spamming, no, I must've missed that period.


Another plan for the coming months is to reduce the number of articles from other websites that we have on the site. Ideally, we wouldn't have any of these and we would write our own but unfortunately one can't be an expert in all fields and sometimes, especially with so many editors, it is best to increase the number of places that someone can access the same article rather than not having any content on a page. If you look on my user page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=User:Arsenal_2111) you'll see a list of articles which I hope to have written as soon as possible - school work means it's not always easy to fit work in.

Again, fair enough. I think your list is definitely heading in the right direction. If we want people to read the wiki, then we need to be giving them useful advice to help them during their game. You see a lot of people dropping into GD saying "what should I say during team-talks" and so on, so if just some of them started to look on the wiki for that kind of information it would be a great start.


Your comparison between us and the UESPWiki, whilst understandable that you're looking for an example, isn't the best you could have chosen. On their website, it says 'The UESPWiki Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995' - that's 16 years of collecting knowledge. We've been going for around two years, so it's understandable that we're not quite at their level.

I wasn't really using it as a comparison - I agree that would be extremely unfair. As far as I'm concerned it is the best gamewiki on the web, so if I'm using it as a comparison, I'm only doing so in a very loose sense. Above all, I'm presenting as a target, an example of what to aim for. I would absolutely love to see an FM wiki with that level of detail and participation in the future - there's certainly a keen enough community to achieve that.

That's what this is all about really - I was very disappointed to see that it hadn't really taken off, as I originally expected it to, and became concerned that the reason for it was a change of focus. It appears that there hasn't really been one, so that's a plus point in my view.

I'll probably do a bit more editing over the next few weeks again, and hopefully I'll keep my interest for a bit longer... I do have a habit of starting projects then forgetting about them and doing other things :p

FM definitely deserves a proper wiki

ssestig
15-06-2011, 21:07
As Jammy has said above about the player and team guides i'm working as a 1 man team atm and obviously I am going to miss some things within the transfer windows due to work and life in general. Hopefully there will be more interest as I get more guides from both on here and 'around the FM scene' (the many fansites) and we will get more editors on board.

It'll be nice to have you back on board anyway Jim and hopefully you'll stay a bit longer this time :thup:

arsenal_2111
15-08-2011, 21:24
Two months since a post in here, ouch!

Anyway, with the announcement of FM12, the work begins once again - if anyone sees any think that isn't on the FM12 page, let me know and I'll put it in!

http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Football_Manager_2012

ssestig
21-08-2011, 14:11
Still here and good to see the site still going strong.

ssestig
25-10-2011, 20:25
We are still here and we'd like a number of knowledgable posters from here to help out with updating the wiki with the new regen dates for youth players, updating squads and player profiles. If you are interested request an account on the site and i'll accept it so you can start the work.

Cosmo-poof
25-01-2012, 14:23
Would it make sense to add The Hut (http://www.llamaland.co.uk/phpBB3/) too to the Wiki as a fansite or would that not match the criteria?
Nevertheless, I want to congratulate you a lot to the wiki, you're doing a great job.

Barside
25-01-2012, 14:30
That place exists because of FM but I wouldn't say that it qualifies as a fan site.

Michael F
10-02-2012, 22:04
went on today and it says account suspended

ssestig
10-02-2012, 22:22
Same here and i'll let J-Jay know.

JJay
10-02-2012, 22:45
My fault! My debit card for hosting expired end of January and I hadn't updated with a new card. Done it now so should be back up ASAP - normally the Billing team start about 8am so should be done by 10am!


Edit: 4 mins later - site back up :)

ssestig
12-03-2012, 00:12
Just to say that we are still around and are looking for you to be involved in the community. If there is anything on the site that you feel you can contribute to you can sign up to the site and update the page(s) you have knowledge of or add the changes in here for those who have an account to edit for you with a disclaimer stating that it is your work.

Onwards and upwards for the site :thup:

ssestig
20-06-2012, 23:26
Wow - hadn't realised it had been this long since the last post.

Anyway i've started a new feature on the twitter page called #wikiwednesday which will contain a page from the wiki website which is on the site. I'll be looking to different types of pages and any page on the site could be part of the thing so keep your eye out to find out what is on the site.

CaptainPlanet
20-06-2012, 23:29
My OP :D

ssestig
21-06-2012, 00:06
Most of which wasn't wrote by you :p

Anyway's enough of the OT talk. Anyone else interested in helping with the writing of any of the league structures that are in the game currently?

ssestig
28-12-2012, 23:06
Just to let everyone know, we are still going strong and adding pages that we have permission for from the GTPG forum on here. I'll be going on some of the unofficial sites around 'the scene' to see if there is any useful information around that can be added.

Anyone got any ideas what else to add to the site?

Astrix
29-12-2012, 01:04
Just went on there... 14 bots and crawlers! :P

The forum looks dead.
I have seen some FM13 of the guides on your website however that are very very good I must say.
Keep up the good work :)

Perhaps you should make a thread on this forum asking players to give their evaluation of a player... the player could then be included on a sort of shortlist on your website... i,e - wonderkid... cheap player... good backup etc.

thats all I have to add.... keep up the work!

ssestig
29-12-2012, 02:44
Thanks for the feedback Astrix.

The forum on the site was hardly used except for the time that here was down for a couple of weeks near the start of the wiki site. As far as the thread on here goes, we have had a thread in the GTPG section of these forums for the last few years regarding permission to use people's threads within that section and IIRC we had a few of the player evaluations done in this thread but there wasn't too many of them unfortunately.

My last point of this post is there are few on-site members compared to a lot of the sites out there especially at this time of night.

GiorgosAth
15-02-2013, 09:11
Where can I get unlockable material from (especially no manager sacking option)?

Herbert Fandel
15-02-2013, 09:22
Where can I get unlockable material from (especially no manager sacking option)?
Its only for the FMC mode, Football Manager Classic.
If you are playing the "full fat" mode they don't feature at all
I don't know exactly where in there, but I'm sure they won't have made it hard to find seeing as it potentially gets them money. I understand the purchasables can also be unlocked through achieving various things within FMC mode though.