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pnefc22
12-06-2009, 16:22
We need the accents IMO.

Why do the accented? pages keep messing up?

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 16:35
We need the accents IMO.

Why do the accented? pages keep messing up?

I'd assume it's something to do with the site not recognising them.

I agree with Alan, leave accents out from now. Hopefully we can recover the ones that dont work anymore.

JJay
12-06-2009, 16:39
Hm, when was that page created? It's not one that I've manually had to fix. The accent issue should now be fixed - but what has happened here is that as it has been fixed it doesn't understand the old link

The only affected articles therefore will be the ones created prior to the fix yesterday

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 16:40
Hm, when was that page created? It's not one that I've manually had to fix
Jammy made it a day or two ago I think. Have a look at the list of profiles, all of the pages with accents on their title are broken again.

JJay
12-06-2009, 16:48
They just need to be moved to the correct page names as Jammy is doing

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 17:09
They just need to be moved to the correct page names as Jammy is doing

I've done the ones that names were missed up, I think something else needs doing to the ones with the question mark symbols? As at the moment it says the page is empty.

JJay
12-06-2009, 17:15
I've applied the automatic fix (which will now only cause the profiles we moved manually to be out of sync) to sort out EVERY character problem there was - this has fixed all the profiles with accents. The empty profiles should now be back

I could have done this yesterday - would have saved the problems today which I didn't forsee!

JJay
12-06-2009, 17:24
I think that should be all the Player Profiles fixed now A-Z and it is safe to continue to use accents and other characters in the page names

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 17:33
Cheers for that JJay - by the way, I got three emails from you, do you need me/want me to reply?

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 20:39
I've removed the stub tag from the skins page, I dont think there is much more that could be added?

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 22:12
I've set up the featured content page here. (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=FMW:Featured_articles) I just picked a few random pages that were in the top 10 most viewed list.

Is there any way of getting rid of that ugly contents box at the top of the page?

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 22:12
Personally I think you should just show the best from each category.

Clubs -
Competitions -
Nations -
Players -
Non-Players -
Gameplay -
Skinning -
Technical -
Stadia -
Editing -
Game Releases -
Miscellaneous -

I'll leave that one empty in case anyone else want to suggest some.

Clubs - Arsenal
Competitions - I like Serie A, but I'm biased
Nations - Wales
Players - Maybe one of the ones that were redone? Fabregas, Priskin, I'm not sure what other ones were done
Non-Players - Not sure if there is one that has FM info?
Gameplay - So many to choose from, either Tactics, Training or Assembling a good team maybe?
Skinning - Skins is the obvious choice
Technical - Tips on making PC faster
Stadia - All the same layout no? So just pickany team
Editing - Either EDT, DDT and LNC Files or WeeGiE
Game Releases - FM09, FMH and FML
Miscellaneous - Steam maybe? Not too many to choose from.

Just saw the ones there - all of them seem fine too, but I think we need a couple more.

Maybe 10 altogether? Not sure which ones are the best from them, I reckon

1. Regens
2. Takeovers
3. Skins
4. Steam
5. Tactics
6. Training
7. Assembling a good team...
8. (what people think the best team guide is)
9. (what people think the best competition guide is)
10. (what people think the best player guide is)

As for the contentsbox, I don'tthink you can.

Dreaded Walrus
12-06-2009, 22:31
Is there any way of getting rid of that ugly contents box at the top of the page?

Done. :)

http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=FMW:Featured_articles&diff=6542&oldid=6538

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 22:33
Is all you did for that type in _NOTOC_ ? Cheers:)

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 22:38
1. Regens - Done
2. Takeovers - Done
3. Skins - Done
4. Steam - Not enough content imo.
5. Tactics - Possibly, might be lacking in a bit of content
6. Training - Agreed.
7. Assembling a good team... - Agreed
8. (what people think the best club guide is)
9. (what people think the best competition guide is)
10. (what people think the best player guide is)

For the miscellaneous page, I'd go for the page on SI over Steam.
I think the page on EDT files etc should be included as well.

Dreaded Walrus
12-06-2009, 22:38
Is all you did for that type in _NOTOC_ ? Cheers:)

Yes, but with two underscores either side.

__NOTOC__
rather than
_NOTOC_

One underscore either side won't work.

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 22:39
Done. :)

http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=FMW:Featured_articles&diff=6542&oldid=6538
Thanks a million for that, looks so much better now.

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 22:43
For the miscellaneous page, I'd go for the page on SI over Steam.
I think the page on EDT files etc should be included as well.

What about players/competitions/teams?

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 22:47
What about players/competitions/teams?
I'd go for the ones with the most original content. As I've said before, those three sections aren't my area so I'm pretty much clueless.

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 22:58
I *think* the whole of the Arsenal page is original, and think Kevin Doyle, Fabregas and Priskin are the only player ones with completely original work. Then most competition guides that aren't big walls of text are original. So I'm not sure on this one.

Fabregas is well known so he may be a good one? Or if you think theres a better player that could go on there I'll write up a guideto him.

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 23:03
Yeah the Arsenal page looks good, I think that should go in. I think we should go with Priskin for the player profile, just to not have too much featured pages related to Arsenal.

I'll have them up shortly.

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 23:07
Ok then :thup:

ahmufcwafc
12-06-2009, 23:33
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=FMW:Featured_articles

It's done now. Could do with a change in the colour of some of the boxes, I'll try to sort that out tomorrow. :)

arsenal_2111
12-06-2009, 23:42
Looks great :thup:

JJay
13-06-2009, 19:58
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Special:Mibbit

ahmufcwafc
14-06-2009, 10:47
That chat addon is a nice touch :thup:

LRJ
14-06-2009, 15:44
Any chance one of you guys could create a page on player compensation?

Like where you approach to sign and it says 'Team X must be compensated with Y amount of money possibly rising to Z'

Not sure if its always the same, but my last one was Y upfront followed by 100k per appearance for the next 40 games, with 15% sell-on clause

ahmufcwafc
14-06-2009, 17:59
Any chance one of you guys could create a page on player compensation?

Like where you approach to sign and it says 'Team X must be compensated with Y amount of money possibly rising to Z'

Not sure if its always the same, but my last one was Y upfront followed by 100k per appearance for the next 40 games, with 15% sell-on clause
Does the compensation in the game work like that? I always thought you just paid out one big fee and that was it. And I thought it was random. I could be wrong though, anyone feel free to correct me.

SCIAG
14-06-2009, 18:02
It was until 09, when the Bostock transfer made them update things. I think I'll mention that on Bostock's page, actually. I did with the "sign young Brazilian in the future" thing on Pato's page :)

SCIAG
14-06-2009, 18:17
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Rodney_Jack

By the sounds of things he has retired.

pnefc22
14-06-2009, 21:01
The Featured Articles page looks great :thup:

LRJ
15-06-2009, 00:13
The Atletico Madrid page is dodgy, it says Atl√ƒ¬©tico Madrid

Thought I'd give you the heads up

ahmufcwafc
15-06-2009, 00:17
The Atletico Madrid page is dodgy, it says Atlético Madrid

Thought I'd give you the heads up
Thanks, it should be fixed now. We've had some trouble with page titles with accents on them lately, for some reason they keep getting screwed up like that.

LRJ
15-06-2009, 00:19
Yeah will have a look if theres anymore like that and post them in here

JJay
17-06-2009, 09:25
The following player images will be missing - if you need them then it would be an idea to upload them (preferably on to imageshack and link or similar to save a bit of space):

Dean Ashton
Correa
Breno
Juan Forlin
Papa Gueye
Vakhit Orazsakhedov
Giovanni Dos Santos
Anton Kozlov
Marquinhos
Clayton Ince
Edin Dzeko
Manuel Pellegrini


I also note that the following images are missing too :(

Steam-editor-done.jpg
The_FA.jpg
ChampionshipManager03-04Box.jpg
Fm2006cover.jpg
USOpenCupLogo.jpg
Rummenigge.gif

That should be them all :)

Spleen!
18-06-2009, 15:43
Exams finished now :D Over 3 months free, I should be able to get some articles done at some point.

ahmufcwafc
18-06-2009, 15:47
Exams finished now :D Over 3 months free, I should be able to get some articles done at some point.
Shameless gloating and thread bumping :thdn:
;)

On an unrelated note, maybe we should stick a stub tag on all player profiles that have no FM related content yet?

pnefc22
18-06-2009, 20:48
Yeah, I think we should.

That way they can be done easier.

hamilton162
19-06-2009, 15:39
Would be a good idea Alan IMO. The Graphics Pack page should be up fairly soon, i only have 1 exam left on 30th June plus 2 more weeks of school after that :)

It should be up within the next week but i just haven't had time to work on it recently with Eng + Design Coursework and essays :(

jod123
20-06-2009, 15:37
Just thought I would come on here for a look, and I just had a look at the wiki and I saw quite surprised how it has massively improved since the last time I saw it.

Credit to everyone who has contributed. Keep up the fantastic work. :thup:

ssestig
20-06-2009, 15:57
Is there a limit on how many screenshots we can upload?

peter-evo
20-06-2009, 15:59
Jod:Who are you? :D

Cheers, though I haven't done half as much as I should have. You going to stick around?

ahmufcwafc
20-06-2009, 17:14
Is there a limit on how many screenshots we can upload?
Don't think it's been mentioned in this thread yet so I might as well say it now.

We're petty close to reaching our storage limit, and if we exceed it, JJay's going to have to pay. As far as I know he's restricted uploads to admins only just as a sort-term measure. Linking to imageshack or photobucket is probably the best thing to do for now.

Could you give me a hand sticking stub tags on all profile pages that have no content if at all possible?


Also, are we ready to make a decision on the wikipedia situation yet or should that be held up for another while? All up to you guys, I don't do anything on the profles so I'll leave it up to you.

ssestig
21-06-2009, 14:09
How can we upload screenshots from external sites such as Photobucket or Imageshack to the wiki?

pnefc22
21-06-2009, 14:16
How can we upload screenshots from external sites such as Photobucket or Imageshack to the wiki?

We can't.

He means providing a link to Photobucket where they can view the screenshot.

At least, that is what I think he means.

ssestig
21-06-2009, 15:04
Just done that with Xabi Prieto (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Xabi_Prieto), a player known to me via Crazy's Torquay dominance on FM07. Let me know what you think.

Edit: 2900th post.

ahmufcwafc
22-06-2009, 14:36
Maybe, to make it stand out on pages that have text, you could give the screenshot a separate header. Something like this:

==Screenshot of Profile==
[link to screenshot]

We've hit 100% disk usage now. I think the best idea is to upload all player profile screenshots to photobucket from now on. JJay will be taking all the screenies uploaded to the site and they'll be re-uploaded on photobucket. Afterwards we'll have plenty of disk space left so we'll be able to allow uploads again.

ssestig
22-06-2009, 18:35
That's a good idea guys.

JJay
23-06-2009, 11:23
Happy birthday to me :)

Gilles Domoraud
23-06-2009, 12:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvgINs2bVHo

:o

ssestig
23-06-2009, 13:49
Happy birthday JJay. *Shakes head* at Gilles :p

peter-evo
23-06-2009, 15:35
Happy Birthday dude.

ahmufcwafc
23-06-2009, 15:40
Wiki man :cool:

Happy birthday JJ. Must do some work on the wiki soon, I haven't done much in ages.

pnefc22
23-06-2009, 18:40
Happy Birthday JJay!

Did SI send you an email, wishing you happy birthday? :D

They did to me :cool:

ahmufcwafc
23-06-2009, 18:50
I got happy birthday PM from a mod on here a few months back. Best thing about it was that it wasn't even my birthday :cool:

SCIAG
23-06-2009, 21:09
I think they send everybody an email.

hamilton162
24-06-2009, 18:43
Alan - Sorry about the delay for the graphics page, i have a French Oral still to go and i am getting loads of homework at the moment, so everything else is on hold for a while :(

I will definately be free by the 17th July as that is the day that school breaks up for me :) Still a month to go though :(

rancer890
24-06-2009, 21:24
Happy belated JJay. :)

SI were the first ones to wish me happy birthday, as I got my email on June 12th. Time zones. :D :D

ahmufcwafc
24-06-2009, 21:27
Happy belated JJay. :)

SI were the first ones to wish me happy birthday, as I got my email on June 12th. Time zones. :D :D
I got sent one 7 months early. Time zones no excuse - I'm just loved that much.

Looking back on it, it could've been 5 months late - but hey, I'm a glass half full kind of guy ;)

arsenal_2111
28-06-2009, 16:20
Over 1000 pages :eek:

Hi Jod :)

Happy Birthday JJay :)

KUTGW everyone else :)

Sorry I haven't done anything for a bit, my computer is broken so I haven't had access to the internet. Only occasionally get online now, and thats on mymums netbook which is too small for me to use easily...

hamilton162
28-06-2009, 16:24
Hopefully you can get a new PC soon Jammy :)

And KUTGW to everyone as well, some more contributions from me should be coming in around 3 weeks :)

ahmufcwafc
28-06-2009, 20:15
Good to hear from you Hamilton :thup:

I've made a new template called {{Player Profile Stubs}}, will anyone putting a stub tag on a player profile please use this template instead from now on. It makes it easier to differentiate between player profile stubs and the other stubs.

Just another idea regarding the player profiles: How about leaving profiles un-categorised (keeping the stub tag though) until they have some FM-related content? Mightn't be the best of ideas, but I'd like to know what you think anyway.

MeLikeFM
28-06-2009, 21:54
hey lads i havent checked on your wiki in some time but i just wanted to ask a question

has the player profiles been devolped to include anything about FM or are they still jsut a copy and paste from wikipedia

hamilton162
30-06-2009, 16:29
No problem Alan :thup: Graphics Pack page is nearly finished, so it should be posted within a few days. I have finished this year's exams now :D I also have an INSET Day on Friday :D

MeLikeFM - Yes they have been edited to include FM related info :thup:

ahmufcwafc
30-06-2009, 16:32
Most of the profile pages are still missing FM info iirc.

What's an inset day?

hamilton162
30-06-2009, 16:48
A teacher training day :) Must be called something else in Ireland. It means that the student's don't have to go in :D

ahmufcwafc
30-06-2009, 16:56
Aha. Yeah it must be a UK thing, it's called an inservice day mostly over here.

I'm making a page on how to use some of the basic wiki commands now (eg how to categorise pages of make headers), for anyone who is unsure of how.

hamilton162
30-06-2009, 17:09
That might be of use to me TBH :o

ahmufcwafc
30-06-2009, 17:42
Here it is. (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Help:Commands) There's still a bit that I haven't included, but I will as soon as I think of it.

Also, the site's been vandalised over the last week or so by new users such as Buy Viagra and Buy Breast Enhancement Gum. Not sure exactly what he's trying to achieve by doing this, but each to their own I suppose :D

hamilton162
30-06-2009, 17:55
Thanks :thup: That should help me an awful lot, the tools on the Wiki were very confusing (Well, for me anyway :D)

ahmufcwafc
30-06-2009, 18:40
Nah, it's not that hard, just takes a bit of getting used to. Look at the edit section of pages that use commands you'd like to use and see what the code is. That's probably the easiest way to find out.

hamilton162
30-06-2009, 18:53
True. But because I edit a page every month or so, i'm not that used to them :D

ahmufcwafc
01-07-2009, 14:02
Does anyone know how hall of fame points are calculated?

I'd also like to know where you get your FM graphics and stuff like that from? I'm trying to expand on the useful links (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Useful_Links) page fwiw.

ssestig
01-07-2009, 18:27
IIRC
League Title = 2 * League Rep
Cup Title = League Rep

hamilton162
01-07-2009, 18:35
I get my graphics/downloads from the Skinning Hideout, FM Baseand Sortitout SI Alan :) Don't know whether that helps or not tbh.

bobdodge
01-07-2009, 21:32
I was just wondering if anybody could tell me if this article is correct and if so where do i save the notepad file for the game to recognize it
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Regen_Editing_-_How_to_add_your_own_regen

ahmufcwafc
01-07-2009, 21:40
I was just wondering if anybody could tell me if this article is correct and if so where do i save the notepad file for the game to recognize it
http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Regen_Editing_-_How_to_add_your_own_regen
Yes, it is correct. Probably best if you look at this page, (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=EDT) it tells you how to handle EDTs. Remember that you have to start a new game for it to take effect. If you've any other questions just ask.

ahmufcwafc
02-07-2009, 00:11
IIRC
League Title = 2 * League Rep
Cup Title = League Rep
Cheers, any idea what a Champions League title is?

I get my graphics/downloads from the Skinning Hideout, FM Baseand Sortitout SI Alan :) Don't know whether that helps or not tbh.
Think I have most of the links from those sites in, let me know if there are some missing.

Most of the profile pictures will be taken down tomorrow and I'll re-upload them to me photobucket account. If anyone has the time to help me sort out the pictures please let me know, because it's going to take AGES otherwise.

ssestig
02-07-2009, 21:28
CL title = 80 points
UEFA Cup title = 40 points

I'll check whilst on the game later Alan.

ahmufcwafc
05-07-2009, 12:46
Cheers mate.

CL title = 80 points
UEFA Cup title = 40 points


League Title = 2 * League Rep
Cup Title = League Rep
What's the difference between league rep and the points total?

ssestig
05-07-2009, 14:22
Not entirely sure tbh.

arsenal_2111
10-07-2009, 17:28
Here it is. (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Help:Commands) There's still a bit that I haven't included, but I will as soon as I think of it.

Also, the site's been vandalised over the last week or so by new users such as Buy Viagra and Buy Breast Enhancement Gum. Not sure exactly what he's trying to achieve by doing this, but each to their own I suppose :D

Alan, what's Viagra?

Seems to have quietened down a bit recently - is there anything that needs doing?

ahmufcwafc
10-07-2009, 17:39
Alan, what's Viagra?
That's for another time, son... ;)

Seems to have quietened down a bit recently - is there anything that needs doing?
You could try linking pages that have similar subjects, info etc in them. Linking to related topics is what I was doing last time I was editing.

hamilton162
10-07-2009, 19:51
Just came back into GD and i'm supprised at how much work (Or lack of) has been done :eek:

Rest assured that i'll be doing some more work on pages soon. Just 1 week of school left :D

arsenal_2111
10-07-2009, 20:15
Just came back into GD and i'm supprised at how much work (Or lack of) has been done :eek:

Rest assured that i'll be doing some more work on pages soon. Just 1 week of school left :D

Like you, I'm back in GD after a break. I'm generally surprised about how inactive everywhere is - I've seen busier graveyards...

ahmufcwafc
10-07-2009, 20:28
In fairness, we never had that many people working on the wiki at the same time. When a few users take a break it's bound to happen.

Any ideas on what we should be focussing on now?

arsenal_2111
10-07-2009, 21:17
Player profiles imo. Do you think I could try and get permission to ask around in the GPTG to ask people to add a little bit of player info from FM onto pages? I think HoPeY and Purefun would be cool with a post in some club threads if I ask them first.

ssestig
11-07-2009, 17:06
I also suggest the player profiles.

Jammy - That would be a great idea and I think that HoPeY and Purefun would agree to that like we have for our club guides.


Edit: Is there a system that we can use where only admin can accept new accounts? I, for one, am unhappy with the number of multiple accounts (most probably from the same user) and the names in particular that the accounts are called.

ahmufcwafc
11-07-2009, 17:22
Yeah it would be nice to get some FM related info into profiles. Go for it.

Vandalism - What we could do is restrict access to accounts until an admin has approved them. The downside to this is that I've noticed a few guys register to the site and make edits just a few minutes after signing up. Restricting accounts like this would make it even more inconvenient for new users.

To be honest I don't really give a crap about what this guy/spambot does. I can block him, delete his page and re-name his account in a matter of seconds. I just find it a bit sad that someone would spend their spare time doing this.

arsenal_2111
11-07-2009, 18:16
I'll send a PM to one of them and ask about it then :thup:

ALSO: As there is no more room left on the site (I don't think) shall we make a Photobucket account for fmwiki - so we can have everything in one place? Would be a lot easier to control than having lots of pictures everywhere.

ahmufcwafc
11-07-2009, 18:29
Jammy - I have spoken to jjay about it and forwarded all the pics to be deleted to him. Hopefully he'll have it sorted soon.

arsenal_2111
11-07-2009, 21:45
Oh right - so there will be more room left soon?

ahmufcwafc
11-07-2009, 22:19
Yeah, loads.

arsenal_2111
11-07-2009, 22:34
Good to hear.

Purefun has said that, in principle, it is ok to make a thread about player profiles. Just going over some details with him, but it should be okay :thup:

Lisandro Lopez
12-07-2009, 16:22
Who gave you lot permission to use my Pjanić screenshot eh? ;)

ahmufcwafc
12-07-2009, 16:32
Might be an idea to update the OP to include more info on the site?

Who gave you lot permission to use my Pjanić screenshot eh? ;)
Me :cool:

Lisandro Lopez
12-07-2009, 16:48
Me :cool:

See you in court then! ;) I'll do some Lyon player write ups in a while. :thup:

ahmufcwafc
12-07-2009, 16:53
See you in court then! ;) I'll do some Lyon player write ups in a while. :thup:
Great stuff, we only have pages on Toulalan and Pjanic atm :thup:


I'll actually be able to do some pages on Wigan players. Don't expect much more from me on player profiles though.

Lisandro Lopez
12-07-2009, 17:17
Hold on a minute, I see a fair few of my screenshots used. Cheeky :D

I'll do the mainstream Lyon players and youngsters.

arsenal_2111
12-07-2009, 17:24
I'm going to do some for Arsenal players, I've done quite a bit of time on Arsenal saves so should be able to do them quite well.

And generally some other players when I get bored of Arsenal players. :D

saulty2805
12-07-2009, 18:12
I've been talking to the infamous ahmufcwafc (Alan) about the Walsall page. I noticed there are quite a few players on the player list that aren't at the club any more and our new signing's aren't on the list either. Would it be okay for my to edit this so that either the players no longer appear on the list or that there is a (*) next to the player to say they will be at a certain club in FM10. Or should it be left until FM10 is out, so the squads are the same for the start of the game.

Just a thought.

I'd be happy to edit the Walsall page for you, if no one else already does :thup:

arsenal_2111
12-07-2009, 18:18
You could just put brackets next to those that have left the club e.g.

Peter Pyr (At Charlton in real life)

Or for those who have just joined put

Alan Nobby (At Peterborough on FM 9.3.0)

or similar?

saulty2805
12-07-2009, 18:20
You could just put brackets next to those that have left the club e.g.

Peter Pyr (At Charlton in real life)

Or for those who have just joined put

Alan Nobby (At Peterborough on FM 9.3.0)

or similar?

Well, that's what I was thinking, just with a (*) then at the bottom explain that the player has either left the club or joined. But I would have to say what club they will be at/come from, so maybe the brackets would be a better idea. Shall I do it? Or not.

arsenal_2111
12-07-2009, 18:31
Yeah, it's best to have an updated squad list. How you show it is up to you :)

saulty2805
12-07-2009, 18:32
Yeah, it's best to have an updated squad list. How you show it is up to you :)

Alright then mate, I'll get right onto it :thup:

Cheers for telling me.

ssestig
12-07-2009, 23:21
What i've been doing is using the squad lists from Wiki for teams then add any players that have moved on since the release of the 9.0.3 patch after looking on the game.

ahmufcwafc
12-07-2009, 23:32
What i've been doing is using the squad lists from Wiki for teams then add any players that have moved on since the release of the 9.0.3 patch after looking on the game.
That's the best idea imo. Not much point in updating all the squad lists until FM10 is released tbf.

ssestig
12-07-2009, 23:50
Just updating any players that have been released/sold by clubs from the January transfer window eg. Adding Antonio Valencia to the Wigan page despite his recent transfer to Man Utd as he was a Wigan player during the 08/09 season.

ahmufcwafc
13-07-2009, 00:16
Just updating any players that have been released/sold by clubs from the January transfer window eg. Adding Antonio Valencia to the Wigan page despite his recent transfer to Man Utd as he was a Wigan player during the 08/09 season.
Sounds like a good idea to me :thup:

I'd like to know what you guys prefer - should we stick to the current disclaimer (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=A.S_Saint-%C3%89tienne#Disclaimer) or use a disclaimer like the one at the bottom of this page? (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=A.S._Roma) The second one takes up less space, but that isn't necessarily a good thing.

ssestig
13-07-2009, 00:24
I prefer the boxed one tbh.

saulty2805
13-07-2009, 14:08
Alright lads. I made the changes like adding (Will be at ____ on FM10) etc. Am I alright to keep doing this for our new players? (Josh O'Keefe has just signed.)

ahmufcwafc
13-07-2009, 15:29
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww256/ahmufcwafc/fmwikilogo-1.png?t=1247497182


At footballmanagerwiki.co.uk (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Main_Page) we pride ourselves on having some of the highest quality articles throughout the world of Football Manager. With guides on teams, graphics, editing and other essential Football Manager information, you can be sure that you will never need to look anywhere else. This site was set up by various members on the SI Forums to give fans of the game a chance to develop their knowledge on the game. For any questions regarding this website, feel free to ask in this thread.

We welcome all edits providing users are knowledgeable on the topic they are editing and all edits are completed with utmost maturity.

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It is necessary to sign up before making any edits at this time due to anonymous users abusing the system in the early days of this site.

Starting a new page
Type whatever you want to name the page in the search bar and hit 'go'. Then click 'create new page'.

Categorising Pages
After making your page, it's very important that you put the page in the correct category so that it will show up on the index page of the appropriate category. What you need to do to categorise your page is stick one (or more if necessary!) of these at the end of your page:


[[Category:Club Guides]]
[[Category:Player Profiles]]
[[Category:Nation Guides]]
[[Category:Player Profiles]]
[[Category:Non-Player Profiles]]
[[Category:Gameplay]]
[[Category:Graphics and Skinning]]
[[Category:Technical]]
[[Category:Stadia]]
[[Category:Game Releases]]
[[Category:Miscellaneous]]
[[Category:Challenges]]
[[Category:English Leagues]]
[[Category:UEFA Competitions]]
[[Category:Coca-Cola Championship - League 2 Clubs]]
[[Category:English Lower League Clubs]]
[[Category:English Premier League Clubs]]
[[Category:French Clubs]]
[[Category:Italian Clubs]]
[[Category:Other European Clubs]]

Stub Tags
These are to be used on pages you feel lack content in one way or another. To use them put {{stub}} on the page you feel should be tagged. Stub index. (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Stubs)

Guides on making wiki pages
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Club Guides (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Club_Guide_Template)

Help with wiki commands
=Main Header=
This header is the same size as the page title header. I wouldn't use it unless the page requires quite a lot of sub-categories, like this page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Tips_on_making_your_game_run_faste r_%28PC_Edition%29) for example.

==Secondary Header==
Most commonly used header.

===Another smaller header===
Use this when making a point linked to the one made in the secondary header.

Inserting Tables

{| border="1"
|'''Team'''
|'''Date'''
|-
|Argentina
|1 August
|-
|Barbados
|19 September
|-
|}If you were to type this into a wiki page, the result would be like so:
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww256/ahmufcwafc/wiki-table.jpg?t=1247498512

Embedding Images
Not possible at this time due to lack of space. We will update this page when the issue has been resolved.


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Will ask CP to put this into the OP later. Is there anything I've missed out on? (Pretty sure I've forgotten to mention a thing or two)

saulty2805
13-07-2009, 18:56
Could someone possibly message me Walsall's information from FM? I don't have 09 installed atm.

Cheers :thup:

hamilton162
13-07-2009, 19:32
That looks excelent Alan :thup: I can't see anything that could be added really, it looks fantastic as it is :D

ahmufcwafc
14-07-2009, 00:48
Cheers Tom, still think I left something out though! I'll leave it 'till tomorrow to think about it.

Anyone think it'd be a good idea to have pages on some more FM fansites as well as just FM WeeGiE? I could go around to the 'FM Scene' section of most fansites and ask if they want a bit of free advertising on the wiki, would do no harm imo. If someone else would like to go around and do it feel free, pretty sure it won't be our representative either way though...

small Mac
14-07-2009, 02:00
What about starting a brand new thread?

ahmufcwafc
14-07-2009, 02:49
Might be pushing our luck starting a new thread. We're lucky to be allowed a thread here as it is. Not much difference between starting a new thread and changing the OP imo.

small Mac
14-07-2009, 03:03
I guess it doesn't really matter but the first few pages have little relevance to the new OP. Also the original purpose of the thread was to set up a wiki, and now we have that in place the focus of a new thread would feel more relevant to the expansion and growth of an established wiki. And finally it would be more relevant to have the wiki thread started by you alan than CP, no offence to him but you have been pretty much running the show.

Well anyway it's no big deal, just my opinions for giving the wiki a bit of a fresh start.

ahmufcwafc
14-07-2009, 03:12
Yeah I suppose that is a fair point, the first lot of responses wouldn't make a whole lot of sense with the new OP in place. It's up to you guys, if the general feeling is that we need to start a new thread then I guess we could ask a mod for his opinion on the situation.

One thing I fear is that a mod might move the thread to the fansites forum, and that's a graveyard.

arsenal_2111
14-07-2009, 16:03
Personally I wouldn't like a new thread - after all if Ross hadn't have made the thread the site may not even exist.

You could easily make a note at the bottom of your post saying that the first few pages were focused around creating the actual site, and that the proper discussion starts later on.

Just my opinion though.

hamilton162
14-07-2009, 17:40
Jammy - I agree. Alan should alter the OP slightly to explain what the first few pages are about. No point in starting a new one IMO :)

ahmufcwafc
14-07-2009, 20:13
Seems like a good time to start up an FM10 page now after the twittergate fiasco :D
I'll get something up later today.

Just an idea - how about we track all new features given out by SI if they are drip-fed like last year? I think it would be a good idea to have a definitive list instead of details scattered all over the internet.

arsenal_2111
14-07-2009, 20:35
Yeah, I reckon that's a good idea.

Got to have a page on Twittergate too tbh;) Could ask Miles to write up something about how he made the error ;)

Maybe we could ask SI if they would be interested in including us in the announcements, saying that a list of all new features will be on fmwiki? Might be pushing it, but we haven't had any prizes as an affiliate so we deserve something :D

ahmufcwafc
14-07-2009, 20:39
Pretty sure that we'd have to pay to get the right to reveal some new features instead of, lets say HMV. Also, we have asked for prizes so they should be coming shortly ;)

How we're going to organise the competition is undecided as of yet.

arsenal_2111
14-07-2009, 20:42
Pretty sure that we'd have to pay to get the right to reveal some new features instead of, lets say HMV. Also, we have asked for prizes so they should be coming shortly ;)

How we're going to organise the competition is undecided as of yet.

I meant when they announce them, we could put them up straight after or something ;)

Personally I think it would be better to use the featured article section on the right to do a small bit about the competition, then make a competition page on the site. Then do email admins@footballmanagerwiki.co.uk for answers. :)

ahmufcwafc
14-07-2009, 20:46
We'd hardly have to ask permission to post up something that's already been made public?

We could put a competitions thingy in the sidebar instead of having it spam the featured articles page.

arsenal_2111
15-07-2009, 15:38
We'd hardly have to ask permission to post up something that's already been made public?

I don't mean that - I mean to ask SI to tell people, when they announce new features, that a list of all announced new features will be on the site. I'm being so unclear:(


We could put a competitions thingy in the sidebar instead of having it spam the featured articles page.

Doesn't show up very much though to be honest - at least for the first one it needs to attract attention.

Also, how do you make those templates (e.g. this was made by HoPeY etc) EDIT: Never mind, done it:thup:

:)

ahmufcwafc
15-07-2009, 16:04
I don't mean that - I mean to ask SI to tell people, when they announce new features, that a list of all announced new features will be on the site. I'm being so unclear:(
I don't think the site's in association with SI for releasing new features would be too happy if SI said "Oh and by the way, you can catch the full list of features on footballmanagerwiki.co.uk!". Would probably cause a drop in hits on that particular site. You also have to remember that most of the other fansites will be keeping track of features as well, so I wouldn't expect any special treatment.


Doesn't show up very much though to be honest - at least for the first one it needs to attract attention.
We could always modify the site logo to mention the competition and ask a mod to change the title of this thread. The sidebar is used a lot more than you might expect.

Interesting fact to back up my point - our current events page has had 7,000 hits while our featured articles page has only had just over 100.

arsenal_2111
15-07-2009, 19:45
Anyone know what the '!'s next to some edits are?

ahmufcwafc
15-07-2009, 19:47
Minor edits iirc.

arsenal_2111
15-07-2009, 20:01
Ah right, that makes sense:thup:

innes607
15-07-2009, 23:18
yo creators of the wiki
on the create your own regen page, you could tell the reader where to save the file!
cheers

ahmufcwafc
15-07-2009, 23:27
yo creators of the wiki
on the create your own regen page, you could tell the reader where to save the file!
cheers
Done. Let me know if the final step is needed (if it doesn't show up in extra files, just continue anyway). Cheers!

innes607
15-07-2009, 23:29
cheers mate, especially for the quick response ;)

ssestig
15-07-2009, 23:29
It is now there mate thanks to Alan.

Edit: Beaten by the man himself.

leedsfan88
18-07-2009, 00:29
can someone tell me how to create a page on the wiki, i'm a member already and can't remember

ahmufcwafc
18-07-2009, 00:33
Just type whatever you want the page to be named into the search bar, hit go then click create page :thup:

leedsfan88
18-07-2009, 00:35
thanks man very easy don't know how i didn't figure it out myself

leedsfan88
18-07-2009, 00:49
woo my first page has just been created woo woo

ahmufcwafc
18-07-2009, 00:55
Very nice work man! Never knew about that myself so I'll be doing that from now on :thup:

arsenal_2111
19-07-2009, 21:23
I didn't know about that either - very useful!

ahmufcwafc
19-07-2009, 21:26
Madness how much info we have in the FM10 page atm - imagine what it's gonna be like when all the features have been released :p

ahmufcwafc
19-07-2009, 22:04
Oh, and do you think we should keep FM10 on the main page? Was re-organising the front page today and accidentally put FM10 in instead of 09. So what do you think - 09 or 10?

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 02:05
I've spent the last couple of hours just sorting out the site, removing unused files, categorizing pages that didn't have a category (all that need one have one now), fixing broken redirects, cutting down a couple of long pages (David Beckham in particular) and generally tidying it up a bit. Look in the recent edits, you'll see :D

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But now I think we have to sort out the player profile side of the site.

Whilst it is fantastic to have so many pages on the site, I feel the fact that roughly 80% of them do not contain our own work dampens the feeling of success we can get from this.

I feel it would be much more pleasing for us and much more useful to readers if players profiles focus around the Football Manager Information. Of course, having some background information is very nice as it allows the reader to get to know the player.

However, I feel that as much of this background information as possible should be written by ourselves, or at least reworded from Wikipedia.

In my opinion it is better to have a short history of the player (much like the introduction on a normal Wikipedia page) and a normal FM info section and to generally have a shorter article that is related to the game than to have longer history with normal FM info.

Of course, this is not just me who is doing this site. So I'd appriciate as many comments as possible on this issue, especially from Stig who has put in a lot of work to these.

Cheers :thup: (By the way, if this doesnt make sense it's because its 3 in the morning and i'm knackered)

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It's almost half 3 so I'm off for the night - you lot can talk about the player profile stuff whilst I'm at work tomorrow ;)

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 14:11
Alan

The Feeder Clubs page was similar to the Affiliated Clubs page, so I deleted the Feeder Clubs one and put everything from that onto Affiliated Clubs. Affiliated Clubs (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Affiliated_Clubs). I've left it there for now, if you think it is best to have both.

Also, what are the categories Italy, Africa, League Guides, North America, Oceana, South America and Spain for? None of them are used for anything, so I assumed these weren't needed. What sort of page would be in the above categories?

ssestig
20-07-2009, 14:24
I would have no problem to sort this out over the summer Alan.

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 14:31
Alan

The Feeder Clubs page was similar to the Affiliated Clubs page, so I deleted the Feeder Clubs one and put everything from that onto Affiliated Clubs. Affiliated Clubs (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Affiliated_Clubs). I've left it there for now, if you think it is best to have both.

Also, what are the categories Italy, Africa, League Guides, North America, Oceana, South America and Spain for? None of them are used for anything, so I assumed these weren't needed. What sort of page would be in the above categories?
Ah, fair enough - you can delete them then :thup:

Those categories haven't been sorted yet but they could be used in future. They're invisible atm anyway.


I would have no problem to sort this out over the summer Alan.Ah good. Wasn't myself that pointed it out (jammy) but cheers anyway. Suppose you're all used to my long posts of rubbish here that you just assume it's me whenever there's a big wall of text :D

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 14:34
Ah, fair enough - you can delete them then :thup:

Those categories haven't been sorted yet but they could be used in future. They're invisible atm anyway.

Oh right - I was just looking through the unused categories page and there didn't seem to be a use for them. if they're invisible then no worries. I'll delete the Feeder Clubs page now, and do a redirect so Feeder club > Affiliated clubs.


Suppose you're all used to my long posts of rubbish here that you just assume it's me whenever there's a big wall of text :D

:D

ssestig
20-07-2009, 14:37
Sorry mate. It is usually you though who does the long posts like that though :D

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 15:02
Haha no worries mate :D

Just wondering if the site goes down all the time for any of you guys? Using firefox and it says "cannot find server" half the time I try to visit the wiki. I just tried it out on opera and I don't seem to be getting these problems anymore.

Must ask someone to edit the OP later on. Think I'll add a bit more to it before I ask - is there anything at all that you guys have seen my doing that you'd like to know how to do?

ssestig
20-07-2009, 15:04
Only use IE but it's fine for me.

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 15:08
Must be a firefox problem then.

I've cleaned up the main page a bit. Click the edit button and you'll see it's a good bit cleaner than before. Same look as before though.

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 15:14
I use Firefox and never have any problems with it?

Might be your internet settings for Firefox.

EDIT: All Arsenal players with pages have FM info on their page. I'm going to try and get as many Arsenal players done as I can before I go back to work.

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 15:46
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww256/ahmufcwafc/fmwikilogo-1.png?t=1247497182


At footballmanagerwiki.co.uk (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Main_Page) we pride ourselves on having some of the highest quality articles throughout the world of Football Manager. With guides on teams, graphics, editing and other essential Football Manager information, you can be sure that you will never need to look anywhere else. This site was set up by various members on the SI Forums to give fans of the game a chance to develop their knowledge on the game. For any questions regarding this website, feel free to ask in this thread.

We welcome all edits providing users are knowledgeable on the topic they are editing and all edits are completed with utmost maturity.

Signing up
It is necessary to sign up before making any edits at this time due to anonymous users abusing the system in the early days of this site.

Starting a new page
Type whatever you want to name the page in the search bar and hit 'go'. Then click 'create new page'.

Categorising Pages
After making your page, it's very important that you put the page in the correct category so that it will show up on the index page of the appropriate category. What you need to do to categorise your page is stick one (or more if necessary!) of these at the end of your page:


[[Category:Club Guides]]
[[Category:Player Profiles]]
[[Category:Nation Guides]]
[[Category:Player Profiles]]
[[Category:Non-Player Profiles]]
[[Category:Gameplay]]
[[Category:Graphics and Skinning]]
[[Category:Technical]]
[[Category:Stadia]]
[[Category:Game Releases]]
[[Category:Miscellaneous]]
[[Category:Challenges]]
[[Category:English Leagues]]
[[Category:UEFA Competitions]]
[[Category:Coca-Cola Championship - League 2 Clubs]]
[[Category:English Lower League Clubs]]
[[Category:English Premier League Clubs]]
[[Category:French Clubs]]
[[Category:Italian Clubs]]
[[Category:Other European Clubs]]

Stub Tags
These are to be used on pages you feel lack content in one way or another. To use them put {{stub}} on the page you feel should be tagged. Stub index. (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Stubs)

Guides on making wiki pages
Player Profiles (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Example_of_a_player_page)
Club Guides (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Club_Guide_Template)

Help with wiki commands
=Main Header=
This header is the same size as the page title header. I wouldn't use it unless the page requires quite a lot of sub-categories, like this page (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Tips_on_making_your_game_run_faste r_%28PC_Edition%29) for example.

==Secondary Header==
Most commonly used header.

===Another smaller header===
Use this when making a point linked to the one made in the secondary header.

Inserting Tables

{| border="1"
|'''Team'''
|'''Date'''
|-
|Argentina
|1 August
|-
|Barbados
|19 September
|-
|}If you were to type this into a wiki page, the result would be like so:
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww256/ahmufcwafc/wiki-table.jpg?t=1247498512

Embedding Images
Not possible at this time due to lack of space. We will update this page when the issue has been resolved.


I'm going to ask CP to edit this into the OP now. Is there anything else you think should be added before I do so?

ssestig
20-07-2009, 15:49
That seems alright Alan
*checks to make sure it is Alan*

Edit: It is Alan :D

hamilton162
20-07-2009, 15:52
Agreed with stig. Nothing wrong with that at all :)

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 16:00
:D

Great, PM sent.

With the announcement on FM10 coming in August, do you think we should run some kind of feature tracker? Looking at the amount of info we got into the page on one screenshot, I can see the FM10 page become really crowded soon enough. How about we open a new category going into detail on new FM10 features, and then have a normal list in the general FM10 page, without going into much detail. Just an idea, no idea if it'd actually work out. All I know is that if SI are going to be drip feeding features to random sites like last year it's going to be hard to find them all. Would be nice to have a list of them all on fm wiki imo.

hamilton162
20-07-2009, 16:02
The stuff that Miles posted needs to be drastically cut down, just pick out the core bits from that and don't quote him :thup:

PaulHartman71
20-07-2009, 16:05
out of interest, why does Marc Vivien Foe have a player profile? Seems a bit silly since he was never even on a Football Manager game. Don't know if you've got loads of players in there that haven't, but just noticed him and thought it was strange.

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 17:08
out of interest, why does Marc Vivien Foe have a player profile? Seems a bit silly since he was never even on a Football Manager game. Don't know if you've got loads of players in there that haven't, but just noticed him and thought it was strange.

No idea tbh, there's a few others like that too I think. Don't think there's anything FM-related to do with Foe. Might be an idea to get rid of pages that we can't possibly add any FM info to? Quality over quantity imo.

peter-evo
20-07-2009, 17:11
No idea tbh, there's a few others like that too I think. Don't think there's anything FM-related to do with Foe. Might be an idea to get rid of pages that we can't possibly add any FM info to? Quality over quantity imo.
Or just give reference that the number x* is retired at Manchester City because of his death?

* I forget the number.

BenArsenal
20-07-2009, 17:22
Or just give reference that the number x* is retired at Manchester City because of his death?

* I forget the number.

Twenty three.

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 18:31
No idea tbh, there's a few others like that too I think. Don't think there's anything FM-related to do with Foe. Might be an idea to get rid of pages that we can't possibly add any FM info to? Quality over quantity imo.

There isn't really anything FM related that we could put on any non-player profiles is there? May be better just getting rid of that category and moving the non-players with FM info into a new subcategory in player profiles?

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 18:33
:D

Great, PM sent.

With the announcement on FM10 coming in August, do you think we should run some kind of feature tracker? Looking at the amount of info we got into the page on one screenshot, I can see the FM10 page become really crowded soon enough. How about we open a new category going into detail on new FM10 features, and then have a normal list in the general FM10 page, without going into much detail. Just an idea, no idea if it'd actually work out. All I know is that if SI are going to be drip feeding features to random sites like last year it's going to be hard to find them all. Would be nice to have a list of them all on fm wiki imo.

I agree that the page will get too big, personally I wouldn't want to read something too long on a website.

Maybe have a FM10 page (like the one that's already there) and then have a new FM10 features page.

Or we could move the Twittergate part onto it's own page and then just have the FM10 page for new features?

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 20:50
I agree that the page will get too big, personally I wouldn't want to read something too long on a website.

Maybe have a FM10 page (like the one that's already there) and then have a new FM10 features page.

Or we could move the Twittergate part onto it's own page and then just have the FM10 page for new features?

A features page wouldn't be much less crowded than leaving it in the FM10 page tbh. I think we should either leave it all in one page or open a new page for each new feature/groups of similar features.

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 20:58
To be honest I'm not keen on the idea of a new page for each feature. The amount you could say about each feature would be minimal, for example how much would we have been able to say about Transfer Rumours on 09? Personally I think it would be best to have a FM10 Features page, to have the big features with their own section and then have a last section for smaller features. I'll do an example for FM09.

---------------------------------------------------

Page Name - New Features on FM09

---------------------------------------------------

=3D Match Views=

(talk about 3D)

=Press Conferences=

(talk about PC's)

=x=

(talk about x [x=other big feature that I can't remember])

=Small additions=

(talk about small features added in)

---------------------------------------------------

I can't remember what was new for FM09 so the above is very rough, but I feel that would be best. I don't think it would be too long either.

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 21:01
IMO if we were to do it that way we might as well have it all in the one page. It'd be easier to have all info in the one page. Thinking about it, there's not a whole lot to be said about new features.

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 23:02
Regarding the wikipedia copied articles;

My mum works in a financial advisors, so of course she has a lot of solicitors and legal boffs in her work place. I've spoken to her about the articles copied from wikipedia and she said that, tomorrow at work, she will ask one of the directors and get their advice on what we should do.

I'll let you know what they say when my mum tells me, should be mid day tomorrow sort of thing (about 1:00 - 2:00 GMT [Neil, I want your job;)]).

If they say it should be alright I still think we should cut them down a bit, maybe make them one paragraph.

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 23:03
Sounds good to me Alan :thup:

....oh wait

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 23:05
Sounds good to me Alan :thup:

....oh wait

:(

Leave the thread.

:(

ahmufcwafc
20-07-2009, 23:06
I'll get my coat... :o

arsenal_2111
20-07-2009, 23:26
I'll get my coat... :o

Please, just leave it and go.

;)

(http://static.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/getmecoat.gif)

arsenal_2111
21-07-2009, 02:17
Alan

Just spent the last hour doing what I asked you to do, lazy bugger ;D

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All player profiles that are 100% original content are in their own category called 'Completed Player Profiles'.

The player profiles that are not done are in the normal Player Profile category. We should to try and rewrite as many as we can.

Personally I think the best way to do this is to write one or two lines of history, basically introducing the player, saying their name, club and nationality.

Then put ==Football Manager Information== and under that write a few lines about a player in Football Manager. I did quite a few for Arsenal yesterday, for example Vito Mannone (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Vito_Mannone).

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There are huge amounts of players who are in the normal player profile category, so I'm sure everyone could do at least a few players. The players we can't get FM info for I think we should delete, so we don't have non-FM info on them.

You may notice that I have deleted a few player profiles. These are the ones that had absolutely nothing on them except the player profile tag and a screenshot that wasn't working properly. There may be some more of these left in there, I only checked about 75% of all players, if there is just let me or Alan know and one of us will delete that.

Right, I'm boring myself. That'll be all then :)

HERE IS THE COMPLETED PLAYER PROFILE CATEGORY (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Category:Completed_Player_Profiles ) - if a player you know reasonable amounts about isn't in there then you can make/develop a page on them ;)

hamilton162
21-07-2009, 13:11
:(

Leave the thread.

:(

Alan - Don't take him seriously, without you the wiki would fall apart :D :o

T3hB3n...
21-07-2009, 20:23
Just so you know, something in that wikis is wrong: that a player must have a PA over 170 to be a Wonderkid. I have had 3 players with a PA under 170 become a Wonderkid.

arsenal_2111
22-07-2009, 14:17
Not sure who wrote that page, I'll leave it in until someone can confirm that that is the case, as I'd always thought it was correct.

:)

kevin_chn
22-07-2009, 14:33
Very good place; not many stuff yet, though.

ahmufcwafc
22-07-2009, 14:39
I spent a few hours today and yesterday doing a massive cleanup of the site. You'd be surprised how much crap builds up after a few months, there was loads of stuff I found that we don't even use.

I've made a list of a few badges we need for club pages. If anyone could give me a hand that'd be great, if not I'll just go ahead and do it myself as usual.

No idea about the wonderkids thing tbh.

arsenal_2111
22-07-2009, 15:15
I spent a few hours today and yesterday doing a massive cleanup of the site. You'd be surprised how much crap builds up after a few months, there was loads of stuff I found that we don't even use.

I've made a list of a few badges we need for club pages. If anyone could give me a hand that'd be great, if not I'll just go ahead and do it myself as usual.

No idea about the wonderkids thing tbh.

Post up the ones we need and I'll give you a hand with them if you like - we have a little space now as we deleted those that weren't being used don't we?

ahmufcwafc
22-07-2009, 15:16
ac milan
ajax
aalborg (AB)
ascoli
athletic bilbao
barnsley
birmingham
blackpool
bolton
brighton
burnley
carlisle
Castilla
cheltenham town
chester city
coventry
crystal palace
crystal palace baltimore
derby
barca b
fluminense
hemel hempstead town
histon fc
inter
ipswich
joinville fc
la galaxy
leeds
leicester
luton
mk dons
norwich
notts county
oldham
psv
port vale
portsmouth
preston
scunthorpe
sheffield united
torquay
walsall
wrexham

Yeah we have a decent amount of space now.

arsenal_2111
22-07-2009, 15:18
Blimey, that's quite a lot! I'll do from Hemel Hempstead Town down and you can do from the top to Fluminense?

ahmufcwafc
22-07-2009, 15:20
Yeah, sounds good to me.

arsenal_2111
22-07-2009, 15:28
What size are they now? 100px? If so, I think we should make them a bit bigger. Looks less boring if it has a bigger image imo, maybe 150px?

EDIT: I've changed it on the Arsenal page, looks a lot better imo.

EDIT: Mine are all done now :thup:

ahmufcwafc
22-07-2009, 15:58
I much prefer the current size tbh.

peter-evo
23-07-2009, 12:04
We got attacked by advertisers. Banned them and their IPs for a week.

ahmufcwafc
23-07-2009, 12:07
That's our spammer Peter. If you don't mind I'll make it a permaban and re-name the user.

Advertisers :D

peter-evo
23-07-2009, 12:08
Cool.

Why is advertisers funny :(

ahmufcwafc
23-07-2009, 12:16
Dunno, just the way you said we were "attacked by advertisers" made me giggle :D

arsenal_2111
23-07-2009, 12:41
Dunno, just the way you said we were "attacked by advertisers" made me giggle :D

Bannerd users?

Whas that Alan? ;):D

ahmufcwafc
23-07-2009, 13:20
Bannerd users?

Whas that Alan? ;):D
Eh? :confused:

arsenal_2111
23-07-2009, 13:31
Eh? :confused:

:(

# (User rename log); 13:10 . . Ahmufcwafc (Talk | contribs | block) renamed User:21 buy acai to "Bannerd user 26" (1 edit. Reason: )
# (User rename log); 13:10 . . Ahmufcwafc (Talk | contribs | block) renamed User:370 buy elimite to "Bannerd user 25" (1 edit. Reason: )
# (User rename log); 13:10 . . Ahmufcwafc (Talk | contribs | block) renamed User:181 buy proventil to "Bannerd user 24" (1 edit. Reason: )

ahmufcwafc
23-07-2009, 13:39
For me it clearly reads "Banned user", obviously edited to make me look bad. You so crazy.

arsenal_2111
25-07-2009, 18:42
I think/hope i've just banned someone, renamed them and edited the content from their page.

Alan, could you see if theres anything else that I was meant to do? First time :D

ahmufcwafc
25-07-2009, 21:34
That's all right afaik.

Buy study habits? Looks like someone is running out of ideas :D

pnefc22
25-07-2009, 23:20
Guess who's back?

ME :D

ahmufcwafc
25-07-2009, 23:29
Welcome back mate. Don't think you've missed all that much, apart from a small cleanup of the site.

arsenal_2111
25-07-2009, 23:59
Yeah, good to see you back Rob :)

----------------------------------------------------

Don't know if anyone remembers the post from about a week ago about me asking my mum about the Wikipedia articles.

As she was off work Monday to Wednesday, and forgot to ask on Thursday, friday was the first day that she could ask them.

They said that, whilst the chances that Wikipedia would take legal action is unlikely, to protect ourselves we should either
Put 'This has been taken directly from Wikipedia' tags on every page that is copied from wiki. However this does still not rule out people taking action as we still have not got permission.
or
Take small pieces of information where absolutely nessecary, but for as many pages as possible we should not use Wikipedia content. For those pages that ONLY contain Wikipedia content, and we can not develop to have more than that, we should delete, as the text we do not have permission for will be easy to see.


So basically, it would be best to remove as much of the information as possible. Having a small piece here and there shouldn't matter, but personally I feel it is better to have as little real life information as possible and focus on developing the FM side.

For those pages we can't get FM information for I think we should delete, as it is not worth the risk of anything happening for us taking the content.

:thup:

ahmufcwafc
26-07-2009, 00:28
I think that if we all pull together and decide what areas we should and shouldn't keep, we can get it sorted :)

Maybe we set a deadline for us to re-do the pages once we've decided fully on what we're going to do - the end of August, maybe? Just ideas now, I don't know much about the profiles but I'll be willing to help if you tell me what I'm to do.


By the way stig, do you want to make a page on OTF radio? Someone linked me to it earlier today and it reminded me that you were going to make a page on it a few months back.

ssestig
26-07-2009, 20:47
I'll sort out content with Gen-Next before starting it. May be on by the end of the week depending on work and other commitments.

ahmufcwafc
26-07-2009, 20:57
Yeah that's fine, I don't mind when you put it up.

Does anyone know a lot about FMRTE? Started a page on it myself but there isn't all that much I could think of to put on it...

pnefc22
27-07-2009, 20:37
Never used it FMRTE, so I can't help.

I will do add some FM information into the player profiles over the next few days.

As well as uploading some stadium articles I did, around 2 months ago :D

ahmufcwafc
28-07-2009, 00:35
Yeah I was thinking you were taking your time with those stadiums Robert :D

pnefc22
28-07-2009, 11:20
I am :D

I have only been on the forums extremely causally for the last month or so, because they died down a little IMO, but I think it is time to make my comeback. I followed threads such as this one, and a few of the sign-ups and challenges but I didn't post as much.

I agree on the Wikipedia issue though, little or no information from them at all, as TBF, if we had them all copied from Wikipedia, they would be crap.

pnefc22
28-07-2009, 11:35
I can't ban people, at least I don't think I can :D, so ban please:

Our advertisers are back (http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=User:84_buy_azulfidine)

arsenal_2111
28-07-2009, 11:36
Thanks mate, I'll ban him now.

EDIT: Done - some people really need to get a life :rolleyes:

ahmufcwafc
28-07-2009, 12:10
I have only been on the forums extremely causally for the last month or so, because they died down a little IMO, but I think it is time to make my comeback. I followed threads such as this one, and a few of the sign-ups and challenges but I didn't post as much.
Yeah, the forums always die down towards the end of the football season. It quiet now, but it'll be total madness in a few weeks when the anouncement on FM10 is made :p

pnefc22
28-07-2009, 12:12
Yeah, the forums always die down towards the end of the football season. It quiet now, but it'll be total madness in a few weeks when the anouncement on FM10 is made :p

Yeah it will be complete madness. Steak with a spoon and all :D

Then, afterwards, comes the patch threads. Ah, good times :D

I am trying to finish and sort out the Preston page. It is a mess, mostly made by me. :o

ahmufcwafc
28-07-2009, 12:17
Check the best eleven with no signings bit mate - is that how you want it to look like?

pnefc22
28-07-2009, 12:19
Did you change it?

I edited it, to be completely different to that and like the with recommended signings one. :confused:

EDIT: Just checked. You did change it :D

No, I prefer it more spaced out with links to the players so, when all the players are finished, people can just click on the players off that screen and, check how to play them.

ahmufcwafc
28-07-2009, 12:43
Ah okay, you can change it back them.

Edit: Which you have done :D

ahmufcwafc
29-07-2009, 23:46
Don't know if anyone remembers the post from about a week ago about me asking my mum about the Wikipedia articles.

As she was off work Monday to Wednesday, and forgot to ask on Thursday, friday was the first day that she could ask them.

They said that, whilst the chances that Wikipedia would take legal action is unlikely, to protect ourselves we should either

Put 'This has been taken directly from Wikipedia' tags on every page that is copied from wiki. However this does still not rule out people taking action as we still have not got permission.
or
Take small pieces of information where absolutely nessecary, but for as many pages as possible we should not use Wikipedia content. For those pages that ONLY contain Wikipedia content, and we can not develop to have more than that, we should delete, as the text we do not have permission for will be easy to see.


So basically, it would be best to remove as much of the information as possible. Having a small piece here and there shouldn't matter, but personally I feel it is better to have as little real life information as possible and focus on developing the FM side.

For those pages we can't get FM information for I think we should delete, as it is not worth the risk of anything happening for us taking the content.

:thup:
Just like to bring the points that Jammy made back up. I think it'd be best if we clean our act up with the wikipedia pages sooner rather than later. Personally I feel that all the non-player profiles can go, because there isn't anything FM related we can add to them at all.

Next, the player profiles. What do you all feel should be done with them. Some have said that a line or two of real life info should be all we have, with more detail on FM related info. We have some new player profiles from Jammy and all the guys from GPTG and I must say they look really good.

Really don't mean to be an ass but if we're not able to come to decision in this thread soon enough, I'll probably just have to do a massive clearout on the site, which I really don't want to do. Better safe than sorry though, the last thing I want is wikipedia on our case.

Thanks a lot guys :thup:

arsenal_2111
30-07-2009, 15:12
Guys, I've edited the Why Have We Set This Up part of the main page a little, this is not permanent. I'm hoping that it may make a difference to the amount of spamming accounts we have registered, although I doubt it will.

With regards to what Alan said above me, I think we should set a limit on how long we should give it before the pages with Wikipedia info on them are deleted. For the non-player profiles I think we could delete anytime, however for the player profile pages (as some may be edited to have FM information on them) I think we should give it a few days (perhaps until the 4th or 5th of August?) before deleting.

If no one minds then either Alan or I will delete the non player profiles today.

Lisandro Lopez
30-07-2009, 15:25
Check the OP now guys, any problems with it just let me know. :thup:

arsenal_2111
30-07-2009, 15:32
Thanks a lot mate, one thing however, would you be able to put

[size=5][url=www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk]Welcome to Football Manager Wiki![/url ][/size ]

at the very top of the page, even above the logo please? Cheers :) (Obviously remove the spaces between the code and the ]'s. :)

Lisandro Lopez
30-07-2009, 15:38
Like so ?

ahmufcwafc
30-07-2009, 15:41
Cheers hopey, looks great :thup:
Guys, I've edited the Why Have We Set This Up part of the main page a little, this is not permanent. I'm hoping that it may make a difference to the amount of spamming accounts we have registered, although I doubt it will.

With regards to what Alan said above me, I think we should set a limit on how long we should give it before the pages with Wikipedia info on them are deleted. For the non-player profiles I think we could delete anytime, however for the player profile pages (as some may be edited to have FM information on them) I think we should give it a few days (perhaps until the 4th or 5th of August?) before deleting.

If no one minds then either Alan or I will delete the non player profiles today.
I've removed that because tbf you're only inviting people to spam. It doesn't work that way, if anything it'll encourage the spammer to spam more. Stay calm :)

I think we should give the player profiles more time, end of August maybe?

arsenal_2111
30-07-2009, 15:45
Thanks HoPeY :)


Cheers hopey, looks great :thup:
I've removed that because tbf you're only inviting people to spam. It doesn't work that way, if anything it'll encourage the spammer to spam more. Stay calm

I think we should give the player profiles more time, end of August maybe?

Well, I did say it wasn't permanent ;) :D

Judging by the little amount of work that has been done recently towards the player profiles, personally I wouldn't say that much more is going to be done other than what is done in the next few days - like the last time we started editing them. Maybe the 4th or 5th is too early - although I wouldn't say any later than the middle of August to be honest.

ahmufcwafc
30-07-2009, 16:11
Judging by the little amount of work that has been done recently towards the player profiles, personally I wouldn't say that much more is going to be done other than what is done in the next few days - like the last time we started editing them. Maybe the 4th or 5th is too early - although I wouldn't say any later than the middle of August to be honest.
Well we'll see how things go - if there's work being done on the wikipedia-ripped pages in mid-August then I see no reason why we shouldn't stretch the deadline to the end of August :)

pnefc22
30-07-2009, 22:17
10th of August sounds reasonable to me, as we can then extend it if work is still being done on them.

And, if it isn't, they won't be on there for long :D

Agree?

ahmufcwafc
30-07-2009, 22:22
It's around 600 pages we're talking about here fwiw.

arsenal_2111
30-07-2009, 22:29
Alan, when shall we delete the non player profiles?

Also, hi to Frog19021996:)

ahmufcwafc
30-07-2009, 23:08
Rob, do you want to write something up on your 1000 appearance challenge? Up to you ofc.

And Hamilton, almost forgot about you! Route to the top would be welcome as well :)

hamilton162
31-07-2009, 09:01
Slight problem there Alan. The file's are corrupted, so i've emailed them to a mate who's a computer freak to see if he can sort them out. If he can, then i'll start updating again. But there's a high chance that that won't happen :( I'm getting the results emailed to me at 12 today, so i'll know by then.

I might start another sign-up that's similar to it in a while though.

Thanks anyway :thup:

ahmufcwafc
31-07-2009, 10:05
You can get people to fix save files? Never knew that.

THIS is why you should always use rolling autosaves :p

hamilton162
31-07-2009, 10:49
Well, he said he'd have a go using some tricks that he knows. Doubts if it'll work though as he's never worked with an .fm file type before. He's going to take a look at the coding to see if he can spot anything that doesn't look right compared to one of my other .fm files

I did use rolling autosave, but all 3 corrupted damn it!!! I tried defragmenting my disk, but it didn't work :mad:

pnefc22
31-07-2009, 11:56
Tom, do you run an Anti-virus program?

And, if so, does it check your FM folders?

pnefc22
31-07-2009, 11:58
Rob, do you want to write something up on your 1000 appearance challenge? Up to you ofc.

And Hamilton, almost forgot about you! Route to the top would be welcome as well :)

Yes, I will do. :thup:

600 pages is a lot but most of them won't be changed, so leaving them for a long time would be pointless IMO.

We should aim to get 150 done at least before the 10th.

hamilton162
31-07-2009, 13:19
Anti-virus isn't the problem, my mate's already checked over that.

arsenal_2111
31-07-2009, 14:23
Yes, I will do. :thup:

600 pages is a lot but most of them won't be changed, so leaving them for a long time would be pointless IMO.

We should aim to get 150 done at least before the 10th.

We have 90 done at the moment (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Category:Completed_Player_Profiles ), so 150 seems achievable.

I've moved the player profile categories around, so that the completed player profiles are the main category and the old player profiles are the sub category - seems better to have the completed ones easier to see.

If anyone thinks that it was better how it was before, feel free to change it around again by undo'ing my edits that I just did. :)

ahmufcwafc
01-08-2009, 12:14
Any suggestions for what we should have as our featured article this month? The featured articles page could use a change too...

pnefc22
01-08-2009, 14:23
What is the Live Chat Room used for? :D

I tried to sign in but kept getting errors and it would log me out immediately.

Just started my 1000 appearence article and I will finish it later.

ahmufcwafc
01-08-2009, 14:29
JJay put the chat room feature in when we last upgraded software. Don't know if anyone uses it tbh, I was only ever online there the first day or two. There was very little activity :D

Might be an idea to use it more often, but I can't see it catching on much tbh.

Yeah, I get error messages half the time I try to connect as well.

hamilton162
01-08-2009, 15:59
Alan - May i suggest my Wycombe Wanderers article to be the featured article? :D

arsenal_2111
01-08-2009, 23:08
All pages that only contain screenshots are being deleted now - if there are any pages in particular that people want restored so Football Manager related information can be added to them either Alan or myself will sort it :)

ahmufcwafc
01-08-2009, 23:11
We will be doing something with them when JJay re-uploads them to photobucket though :)

arsenal_2111
02-08-2009, 21:47
I think the site is down?

ahmufcwafc
02-08-2009, 21:48
JJay's just changing the registration system Jammy. No idea when it'll be back up fully. Shouldn't be long I'd imagine.

JJay
02-08-2009, 22:21
Should all be back to normal, and Alan you have what you wanted :)

arsenal_2111
02-08-2009, 23:11
Yep, its back up and the registration thing works well - cheers JJay:)

pnefc22
03-08-2009, 20:39
Alan, what is the Community Portal to be used for?

And, say, I wanted to use it, what would I put etc.?

arsenal_2111
03-08-2009, 20:56
The Community Portal (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Football_Manager_Wiki:Community_Po rtal) has been locked unfortunately, so only admins can edit it. The same applies to the Main Page, Rulebook (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Rules) (new) and Current Events (http://footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Football_Manager_Wiki:Current_even ts) page (also new). EDIT: Ignore this, I'm an idiot :)

The main point of the Communit Portal is so we can update those who may not be regulars in this thread as to what is happening regarding the Wiki, as well as giving a more lengthy introduction to how the site came about. It's basically a way for us to interact with the readers of the site, to make ourselves a more of a community site.

The current events page is to write about our plans for the short term future of the website, saying what our plans are to develop the site. This will be updated regularly (every couple of weeks sort of thing) for two reasons, firstly so we can make sure we get everything planned done but also so people know what they can expect in the future from the site.

If you have read that you will notice that we have set the deadline for player profiles as this Thursday, as they don't have much work being done. Although we came to this decision yesterday, there has been some more work done today so if it continues like this then it is likely we will extend the deadline furthur.

(Although sorry, I'm not Alan :D)

Although would you be able to do me a favour please? Try and write something on the Discussion page of the main page, to see if that's been locked too. If it has I'll unlock the Main Page, as hopefully that will become useful for questions about the site. Cheers:)

ahmufcwafc
03-08-2009, 21:05
The community portal hasn't been locked, regular users should be able to update just as well as anyone so there's not much point locking it. Not sure what exactly we should use it for so you write whatever you want in it for now :thup:

When was the player profile deadline taken forward!? :D

arsenal_2111
03-08-2009, 21:23
The community portal hasn't been locked, regular users should be able to update just as well as anyone so there's not much point locking it. Not sure what exactly we should use it for so you write whatever you want in it for now :thup:

When was the player profile deadline taken forward!? :D

Oh yeah - I thought it was locked :confused: :D

Although we said the 6th last night, there has been a bit of work done on them today so if the work carries on tomorrow too, imo it wouldn't hurt to slightly extend the deadline.

ahmufcwafc
03-08-2009, 21:28
As long as people are making edits on the profiles you should keep them up imo. The end of this month should be the absolute latest time we have this sorted by though.

Rob - what were you thinking of using the portal for? By all means go for it.

arsenal_2111
03-08-2009, 21:51
Rob, are you going to be putting the link to the CA/PA page in all player profles? If not, its best not to have it in there imo, to keep them as consistant as possible. However if you are planning on adding them into them all then it's great :thup:

arsenal_2111
03-08-2009, 21:57
A little template here for those who are going to be editing Player Profile pages, it may save you a couple of minutes. :)




[Player Name] is a [nationality] footballer who plays as a [position] for [name of club].

==Football Manager Information==

<spoiler> [Player Name] has a CA of [value] and a PA of [value]. </spoiler>

[Information about player - best position, price to buy and sell, player tactical instructions etc]

Best to edit out all of the real life information that's already there - it only takes a second to write a sentence about the player:thup:

pnefc22
03-08-2009, 22:10
Rob, are you going to be putting the link to the CA/PA page in all player profles? If not, its best not to have it in there imo, to keep them as consistant as possible. However if you are planning on adding them into them all then it's great :thup:

I am planning on putting it in every one, as it fits and may be helpful.

I am just adding it to them, as I come along them. :thup:

The deadline for player profiles is the 10th currently, I think, that is what I put it for in the Current Events page.

pnefc22
03-08-2009, 22:11
As long as people are making edits on the profiles you should keep them up imo. The end of this month should be the absolute latest time we have this sorted by though.

Rob - what were you thinking of using the portal for? By all means go for it.

I am not sure. I didn't really think about it. I just though that it might be nice to use it :D

arsenal_2111
03-08-2009, 22:11
Alan and myself agreed on the 6th last night as there hadn't been any edits to them so it seemed pointless keeping them there when no work was being done. But so long as the work being done tonight continues, the 10th is fine too.

pnefc22
03-08-2009, 22:13
Ok, seems fair.

It is just us 3 doing them, mostly I think, so I guess whenever we get bored of doing them, we delete the Wikipedia ones :D